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the planets often masters almost surely

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have a plan

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this clearly maybe something there

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beyond the realm of man you know that's

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sweet hallelujah and hello higher side

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chatters drink a little drink smokin a

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little smoke and doing the damn thing

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from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carl wood

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and today is a pretty unique episode

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even for us and I think it's going to

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get a lot of gears turning out there in

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people's heads on subjects they might

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not think about all that much or even

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consider under the conspiracy umbrella

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so it's a fun one but we did have some

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sound issues early on and big thanks to

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Conor he is a great sport sticking

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around for an hour while I fiddle with

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knobs and dials just trying to appease

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the tech gods and then recording the

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two-hour show with me that is a

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commitment folks but anyway this show is

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a bit stitched together from a few

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different source files but I don't think

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you'll notice but I did have to say

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something also Conor's breath is pretty

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loud at first but we straighten that out

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too content wise like I said unique show

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and I enjoy trying to push the envelope

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if you haven't figured that out by now

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also it's always great hearing from

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people who have led interesting non

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cookie-cutter lives and counterfeits

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have bill for sure he's a thoughtful guy

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with a deep understanding of many topics

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and sort of sits lotus style in the Venn

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diagram between the occult and sexuality

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and that's an interesting place to be

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some of his positions on sexual freedom

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are pretty bold and I'm curious how the

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crowd will react there's always a bit of

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conservatism in conspiracy even if I

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don't own that I definitely recognize it

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especially around topics like sexuality

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but sometimes I wonder if maybe we

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training we've gotten or the residue

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from authorities religious and otherwise

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I think most of us can see or at least

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entertain how our thoughts and attitudes

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about sex can be and are manipulated and

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over legislated and used against us and

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right to each their own and I think we

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all want people to be as free and open

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and comfortable as they can be as they

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want to be in all areas of life and we

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definitely don't need the government

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making laws about what we can do it

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our own bodies I think that applies to

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drugs sex magic and suicide to be honest

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and even that's a radical idea I guess

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but it is your body right

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or is it that's a whole other show

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entirely but I apologize for the sound

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issues you might notice but like the

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newt man in mining Python and the Holy

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Grail it gets better

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and without further delay let's play

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them in Charlie sexuality in Steiner

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esoterica and erotica oppression and

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orgasms and Connor Abby on the other

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side it's the higher side chats podcast

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you can call it th me always talking

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which I can't say enough to spirit seen

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some things all want you to know what

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that stuff we want to see then love you

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it's to play for me my favorite show

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with a cannot break in the - pull my

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side Richard by Cintas the crop window

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on the higher side show

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that's life in the high side

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all right higher side shadows we have

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seen heard and in some lucky cases even

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experienced enough to know there's more

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to this world than just what we can see

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yet we're still constantly bombarded

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with mainstream materialist mouthpieces

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telling us their model for reality is

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the only acceptable option for an

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intelligent person

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well we've explored many of the ways

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this worldview serves the power elite by

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making the masses feel insignificant and

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small and many times we followed the

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long campaigns that eliminated schools

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of thought that promoted

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self-development higher consciousness

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and even engagement with the other so

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it's not just these or Taric areas that

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are often manipulated by authorities put

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all freedoms and whether we're talking

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about the occult psychedelics or even

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sexuality the long repeating pattern of

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history is full-scale suppression and

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constant state-sponsored reminders that

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any of these things capable of elevating

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a person beyond feelings of helpless

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servant

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will not be tolerated will throw off

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those change people and pry those Minds

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wide open because in a fairly diverse

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and far-reaching show today we're going

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to look deep into how Western attitudes

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about sexuality have served the masters

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we're going to be exploring

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anthroposophy examining some great

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thinkers and sex radicals of history and

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detailing the relationship between sex

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and the occult and I don't know anyone

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better suited to facilitate that

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journeys and today's guest Connor Habib

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Connor is an award-winning writer

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teacher and gay porn star for good

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measure maybe the only man to receive

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prestigious honors in all three

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categories the true trifecta in life if

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he asked me also his essays have

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appeared all over the Internet he's

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lectured all over the country he's well

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versed in the occult and has appeared on

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some of my favorite podcasts including

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the Duncan Trussell family our

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tangentially speaking with Chris Ryan

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and of course rune soup with Gordon

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white let it be known that Connor and

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Gordon will be putting on the chaotic

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good-y the occult matters now more than

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ever event in LA on July 8th and I can't

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wait to get this show started the host

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of the newest web series against

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everyone with Connor Habib the only

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guest so far whose dick I've seen on

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Twitter Connor my man welcome to the

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higher side hey I can't believe none of

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those other guys put dick pics on

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Twitter I'm pretty pretty disappointed

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in them Paden

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I can't complain man I can't complain

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I'm really psyched to be doing this this

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is going to be an interesting one

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yeah me too yeah I always like getting

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into the minds and ideas of alternative

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thinkers throughout history like Rudolf

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Steiner and as anthroposophy philosophy

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which I know you've studied quite a lot

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and I've also been thinking more deeply

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about how sexuality ties into oppressive

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rulership which I really hadn't

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previously but to grease these wheels

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let's start by talking about that event

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you are doing with our mutual friend mr.

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California and this thing you guys got

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going on seems like it's going to be a

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great time I think I've heard a joke

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that starts like this but I guess it

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could be described as a chaos magician a

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porn star and a mortician walk into a

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bar right yeah and the mortician to

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which you refer is Caitlyn Dodi who

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wrote the best near Times best-selling

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book smoke gets in your eyes which is

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about her time working at crematorium

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and she's a death right expert she does

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the YouTube series called ask a

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mortician she's going to be moderating

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the event and there will also be tarot

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reading by Rachel true who is one of the

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witches from the craft so it's going to

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be a dope event I'm really excited and

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just Gordon I'd sort of go deep on

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things that you know we get to talk

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about on rune suit but we don't really

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get to do in any other public forum at

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least not yet

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and for LA I think an event like this is

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just really good for the timeline of la

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la it's like a really sort of occult II

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mystical weirdo City with all these

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different kinds of time eras crammed at

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once together so I think that this will

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sort of raise the magical consciousness

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of the city hopefully or if not people

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just get drunk you know what we're both

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right on yeah cheers to that

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and yeah it sounds like it's going to be

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a great event I'm really hoping I can

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make it up there but that's a really

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busy week for me it's when a lot of my

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out-of-town wedding guests start

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arriving but either way it sounds like a

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blast and so to get into the meet here

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not you know no pun intended I wanted to

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discuss sexuality pretty early on

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because it is largely a conspiracy show

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that I run here and I've been thinking

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about just how thorny a topic sex is for

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most of the conspiracy world we think

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about Eyes Wide Shut parties and

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Mansion orgies and we might start to get

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because of that association plus

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conservatism has a strong thread running

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through the conspiracy world I haven't

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always identified with it but it's

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definitely there and I understand those

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feelings a little bit but I wanted to

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read something that you wrote that

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really was a light bulb moment for me

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and one of your articles you say the war

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on sex is the oldest and most oppressive

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war on consciousness sex and sexuality

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are intimately totally linked to our

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freedom of thought and expression that's

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why so many repressive regimes are

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sex-negative jail sex workers and sex

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minorities especially homosexuals and

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monitor sexual behavior it's also why if

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we want to change the world in a radical

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way it's important to look to sex for

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some answers and I just think that is

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very true but something I definitely

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don't think about often can you maybe

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elaborate on those ideas and why sex is

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so important when it comes to the idea

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of control versus freedom yeah I mean I

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think people have been people and

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institutions and power when trying to

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regulate and interfere with our sex

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lives for a really really long time and

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unfortunately the way that plays out in

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sort of conservatives current is the

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idea that somehow there's this kind of

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liberal progressive government that's

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trying to enforce a kind of libertine

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sexual agenda that's a roading on

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morality and all that kind of stuff but

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we have to realize that this war on sex

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has been put on basically everybody in a

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different way in different cultures in

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different times and that nobody has

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escaped it and so when we start talking

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about how power interact with us in our

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sexuality we need to just look at our

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own lives and see what kinds of

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prejudices and brainwashing and all that

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kind of stuff has gone on it's not a

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particularly ender for specific

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sexuality it's a sort of generalized

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overall control tactic of people in

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power to regulate everybody sexuality at

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all times and the kind of sex we have

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the kinds of sexual imagery we're

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allowed to view if any the kinds of

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things we're allowed to talk about all

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that sort of stuff so everybody

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everybody target basically I would say

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yeah I don't disagree with you man and

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it does seem like freedom's spill out

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into other areas once your mindset

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changes and so you have to attack it all

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it has to be full spectrum dominance I

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mean we talk a lot about the 60s and the

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psychedelic movement on this show but

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sexual freedom was just as big a part of

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the 60s and I guess when liberation does

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come in one area it spills out into

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others which would be why it's all

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off-limits from the perspective of a

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ruling authority you can do a lot to

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keep marijuana mushrooms and

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dimethyltryptamine away from people but

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you can't really take away their sex

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organs you can just shame them cover up

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the women and outlaw anything but the

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vanilla stuff I guess but it is

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important to examine yeah and so the way

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I put it is if you ever want to know how

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somebody feels about freedoms start

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talking about sex that's like one of my

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sort of big off repeated lines when I

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get done and stuff because basically

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sexual freedom is individual freedom

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everybody has a different sexuality we

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talk as if there's like well there's gay

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people and there's straight people and

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maybe if bisexual people is this that's

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there too but actually in fact all our

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sexualities are completely unique to us

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everybody has a sort of different nexus

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of things and complexes also of things

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that we errata sighs things that recall

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such things that do both the ratifies in

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the culture that draw us in are our

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whole desire complex is different from

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person to person

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and so when you start talking and and

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beyond that it's also not really

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understandable by other people let me

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explain what I mean by that in really

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mundane terms if you if you've ever been

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walking down the street with someone a

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friend and they point out some woman

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that they think is hot you know and she

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like look at her and you're like her are

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you kidding me like you should grow you

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know your friends like no that's the

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hottest person in the world when you

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talk right our desires are actually not

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even really understandable or

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translatable to each other it's very

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difficult to sort of merge into someone

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else's sexuality or sort of erotic light

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it's the same thing with sexual apps I

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mean people like all kinds of different

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things you know and so you can see on an

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individual case-by-case basis people

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have very

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very different and very unique and so if

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you want to talk about individual

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freedom and what kinds of on compassion

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and freedom we should offer up to others

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as well as ourselves the sex is a really

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good place to start because it is I

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believe the most individual thing about

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us I think that that's that sort of one

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individual in some way because if

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everybody starts sort of self actualized

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and are realizing their sexualities and

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we start permitting that in other people

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then we have a bunch of people who are

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individuals accepting and responding to

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individual consciousness walking around

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and that's a big problem for people in

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power

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yeah well said and I think there's also

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a perception that a lot of these modern

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sex laws that we still have on the books

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are just silliness they'll say sure

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sodomy is illegal but it's just one of

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those archaic things nobody pays

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attention to and not to get too heavy

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but that is just not true because I only

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learned recently that my mom grew up

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with a brother that I never knew about

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who was gay and actually had a cop

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invite him out on a fishing trip only to

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entrap him charged him with sodomy then

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he was sent to a mental institution

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where he was given electroshock therapy

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until he was driven to suicide and I

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never knew these things about this guy

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in my family and you know I'm not super

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connected to it but when I think about

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the pain that that caused my mom and her

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life it makes me want to rage man and

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these dumb laws around sexuality

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actually ruin lives a lot easier than we

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might think at first because none of

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that would have been possible if it

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weren't for that initial law on the

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books that made sodomy illegal okay so I

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think that that story that you just told

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is a really tragic instance of these

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kinds of things intersecting with your

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life and your experience and people you

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know in fact there are so many different

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variations of this kind of [\h__\h] where um

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the sex laws sex legislation is used

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against people in one way or another but

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it's not just a loss it's also the

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cultural pressures so for instance you

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know you talked a lot about conspiracies

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sexual scandals sexual things that are

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sort of under the surface on your show

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and imagine if

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those things were happening in a culture

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that was much more open and able to

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engage and discuss sex what kind of

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power we have to unearth and discuss

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those kinds of scandals and really like

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take people to power to task because it

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was already in the air that we're having

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healthy sexual discussions and allowing

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people more sexual freedom sexual

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understanding sexual education right now

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it's like it's difficult to even talk

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about those kinds of sex scandals

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because you're not even really talking

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about sex that much you know so that's

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that's one version and we can come back

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to that crime sure that's of interest to

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the people that are listening to the

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show but also think about the ways in

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which you know sexual imagery is really

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regulated in the sense of you know there

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are so many laws and regulations around

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what kind of sexual imagery you can see

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how we access pornography pornography

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can only be stoned legally technically

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in two states in the entire country and

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yet advertisement is a complete

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eroticization you know constantly are

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like look these two people are about to

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have sex now by this computer you know

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it's like it's because sex is repressed

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the people who are making advertisements

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trying to sell a [\h__\h] trying to turn us

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into sort of obedient consumers they get

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to utilize arousing us and then

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frustrating our arousal by directing it

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into buying a product so that's another

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way in which sex and sexual repression

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is leveraged to get people money to get

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people in power to to basically have

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more money and power over us and to

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continue the sort of spell and cycle of

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repression so I think that there's all

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that kind of then there's even crazier

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stuff when we talk about the laws what

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you were talking about with your friends

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so I am friends with lots of people who

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do technological work who are sex

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therapists that kind of stuff so I hear

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stories obviously anonymously about you

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know people that they've worked with but

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I know for instance a story of a guy who

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was driving and pulled his car over to

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an empty parking lot to jerk off in his

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car pretty innocuous thing right I mean

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he pulled into an empty lot nobody was

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there

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and he's trying to be responsible if

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he's not jerking off the driving at the

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same time which is dangerous right right

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some some woman in a building that was

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all the way on the other side the lot

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who is in a window a few floors up look

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down and talk him jerking off in the car

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called the police he was arrested and is

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now branded as a sex offender for the

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rest of his life for what for doing

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basically nothing I mean these kinds of

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laws are sort of they're crazy and they

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happen and they take place because we

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don't have the kinds of sexual

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discussion that we need and so we allow

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these kinds of laws or the kinds of

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methods of control I was talking about

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or the kinds of scandals I was talking

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about to take place because the open

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discussion and sort of understanding of

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individual freedoms is not taking place

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right I do think sex offender status for

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life is a little extreme but broadly

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speaking we're talking about openness

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and freedom among adults who are willing

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participants I don't know about that

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example but yeah this is a thorny issue

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I don't want to see people and posed

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upon by things like urinating and

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jacking off in public but at the same

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time it's not so bad to be a little

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uncomfortable and we shouldn't let it be

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a justification for the system hoovering

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out more people whose whole life

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trajectory will be affected and the

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system is going to be as strict as we

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let it be and something like the sex

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offender registry has such weight to it

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we really should reserve its usage for

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predatory behavior only and maybe

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separate out cases of poor judgment from

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that of course another backwards problem

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in this area is young kids texting each

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other naked pictures something done

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usually out of childhood curiosity and a

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system with laws meant to protect kids

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and they're actually facing charges for

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possessing child pornography apparently

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and we have to restore a little context

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to what a real crime is so the laws need

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to catch up and we also need to reserve

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better judgment in applying such harsh

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punishments but to some people out there

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it might sound like some of this gets a

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little close to defending sex criminals

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and I hope the distinction is pretty

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clear well yeah I mean first I want to

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point out that those laws are talking

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about where kids who send each other

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pictures of themselves and have sexual

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interaction with

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kids because that's what you do when

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you're in high school obviously you're

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going through intense hormonal change so

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you're horny all the time and you're

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interacting with other people your age

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and yet now that can be a sex offense

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and there are laws replacing those old

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archaic laws so even if we have like

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hoho the sodomy laws not affecting that

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many people and it is affecting some

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people as you pointed out there are new

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newly Oh archaic I will call them laws

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that are taking place taking the place

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of those old archaic laws right so

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that's that's the first thing to know so

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we shouldn't laugh at those archaic ones

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because they're just being sort of

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replaced by these other kinds of things

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that are very similar um when you talk

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about people mean like oh we don't you

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know we don't want to talk about this

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because it sounds like we're sort of

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permitting abuse or whatever first I

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want to say why do I mind go there right

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away why should I talk about sexual

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freedom suddenly people start thinking

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about oh yes but what about people who

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aren't consenting like like what why did

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we jump from what I was talking about to

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non-consensual sexual assault

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immediately there should be a no-brainer

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right exactly which we shouldn't be

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jumped we shouldn't be making that leap

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immediately in our hands and the fact

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that we do indicate an inner problem the

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second thing is you know all that stuff

548
00:21:21,639 --> 00:21:19,039
about non-consensual text I think it's

549
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:21,649
of course is really important for us to

550
00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:24,559
explore and discuss and understand all

551
00:21:30,639 --> 00:21:27,529
that comes up what's more likely are we

552
00:21:33,159 --> 00:21:30,649
going to are we going to have better

553
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:33,169
discussions and understandings of what

554
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:35,570
constitutes sexual assault how to treat

555
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:38,450
victims of sexual assault and also how

556
00:21:43,090 --> 00:21:41,570
to deal with the offenders rehabilitate

557
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,100
the ones that can be rehabilitated and

558
00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:44,960
not try to rehabilitate the ones it can

559
00:21:51,970 --> 00:21:48,710
in a culture where we understand and

560
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:51,980
discuss sex openly or are we going to do

561
00:21:54,639 --> 00:21:53,210
that well in a culture that it

562
00:21:58,180 --> 00:21:54,649
completely sexually repressed

563
00:22:00,159 --> 00:21:58,190
I think we have a better chance of doing

564
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,169
all the right things if we start having

565
00:22:05,019 --> 00:22:02,240
better understanding discussions about

566
00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:05,029
sex that's why I get sort of a gristle a

567
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,110
little bit one too

568
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:07,760
we'll talk about things like satanic

569
00:22:13,210 --> 00:22:10,130
ritual abuse when they talk about stuff

570
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:13,220
like pizza gate which before you drag me

571
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:15,770
down into that pizza parlor I don't know

572
00:22:20,289 --> 00:22:18,290
all the specifics about I don't

573
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,299
obviously end of the general story but

574
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:22,400
when people talk about that kind of

575
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:25,970
stuff it's like okay I'm totally down

576
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:28,250
for talking about all that but we also

577
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:31,970
need to have a safe sound grounding of

578
00:22:35,370 --> 00:22:34,010
our understanding of sex before we start

579
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:35,380
talking about that kind of stuff

580
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:37,730
otherwise we're going to be importing

581
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:39,650
all kinds of prejudices that aren't

582
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:41,210
worthwhile in bringing to that

583
00:22:47,770 --> 00:22:44,330
discussion and that won't help us heal

584
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:47,780
victims won't help us apprehend the

585
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,610
perpetrators won't help us deal with

586
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,440
what perpetrators once we get a hold of

587
00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:54,080
them and certainly won't have cultural

588
00:22:59,409 --> 00:22:56,980
grounding to deal with people right like

589
00:23:02,830 --> 00:22:59,419
you know I talked about this on a show

590
00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:02,840
before when America I think but it's

591
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:06,350
like if Peter gave style allegations

592
00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:10,010
come out understand you know adlet and

593
00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:11,830
they come out as proved or true

594
00:23:15,549 --> 00:23:13,580
understand that the people and

595
00:23:18,220 --> 00:23:15,559
institutions and power are immediately

596
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:18,230
going to use that to regulate and

597
00:23:22,930 --> 00:23:21,110
control our sex lives it's not going to

598
00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:22,940
be it look like it's not going to be

599
00:23:26,980 --> 00:23:24,830
some great revelation when we blow the

600
00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:26,990
whole thing apart and suddenly the whole

601
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:29,030
system collapses what's going to happen

602
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:30,290
is that the people who already have the

603
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:32,510
power are going to use that to regulate

604
00:23:38,830 --> 00:23:36,410
our lives more our sexuality our access

605
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,840
to pleasure and freedom more so it's

606
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:40,400
really fun to keep that in mind

607
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,650
while they just continue to do whatever

608
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:44,720
abuses they may have been doing already

609
00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:48,799
total yeah they're above the law so you

610
00:23:53,169 --> 00:23:50,630
know you're talking about society having

611
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:53,179
a better cultural understanding a more

612
00:23:58,330 --> 00:23:56,090
nuanced understanding of sexuality what

613
00:23:59,770 --> 00:23:58,340
do you think that looks like a better

614
00:24:02,770 --> 00:23:59,780
understanding and how do you think it

615
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:02,780
would actually change society for the

616
00:24:06,190 --> 00:24:03,919
better because a lot of people probably

617
00:24:09,070 --> 00:24:06,200
have their ideas on what a completely

618
00:24:11,470 --> 00:24:09,080
free and open sex society would look

619
00:24:13,049 --> 00:24:11,480
like maybe you can calm them down a

620
00:24:16,060 --> 00:24:13,059
little bit what does it look like to you

621
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:16,070
yeah I mean I think one of the first

622
00:24:23,030 --> 00:24:19,890
things is just you know not being there

623
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,040
five of your own uncomfortability with

624
00:24:28,460 --> 00:24:25,860
certain sexual situation I think this is

625
00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:28,470
actually a general rule not just with

626
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:31,500
sex in the culture we live in now what

627
00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:34,740
we live in now is to be able to hold and

628
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:36,630
understand uncomfortability so that

629
00:24:40,940 --> 00:24:38,220
could be uncomfortability related to

630
00:24:42,620 --> 00:24:40,950
other people's sexuality where it

631
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:42,630
doesn't immediately turn into

632
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:44,820
demonization you just say okay I'm

633
00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:46,860
uncomfortable hand out it you know I

634
00:24:49,910 --> 00:24:47,790
don't have to act on that

635
00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:49,920
uncomfortability and obviously I'm not

636
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,750
talking about a burning building

637
00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:53,340
situation if you see someone being

638
00:24:57,290 --> 00:24:54,780
assaulted or you know that that's

639
00:24:59,660 --> 00:24:57,300
happening like of course step in but

640
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,670
again let's not go there right away I'm

641
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:00,720
just talking about the things that

642
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,910
repulse you that gross you out that like

643
00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:04,320
freak you out a little bit that might

644
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:06,270
make you feel uncomfortable and it could

645
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:08,940
be from the friend saying oh that

646
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:10,410
woman's hot and you think she's ugly

647
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:13,080
hold back you don't have to say you can

648
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:14,940
have what I call good desire etiquette

649
00:25:18,290 --> 00:25:16,890
you don't have to be like gross you can

650
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:18,300
say something like what do you find

651
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:21,720
attractive about her right so open up a

652
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:24,210
conversation with shutting it down do

653
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:26,250
that with yourself as well when you have

654
00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:28,020
a thought like oh people like to be

655
00:25:32,540 --> 00:25:30,660
pissed on during sex or whatever instead

656
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:32,550
of thinking that's gross ask yourself

657
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:34,440
why do I find that repulsive do I really

658
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,120
find that repulsive what would happen if

659
00:25:40,460 --> 00:25:38,760
I watch someone do that online or you

660
00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:40,470
know I just like create a safe space for

661
00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:42,630
yourself to encounter your own

662
00:25:48,140 --> 00:25:45,030
comfortability because there's so many

663
00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:48,150
there's so much talk of that boundaries

664
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:49,860
right now when it comes to sex which is

665
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:51,630
fine I think that that's really good and

666
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:53,010
nobody has a right to violate your

667
00:25:57,530 --> 00:25:55,110
boundaries but we also have a duty to

668
00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:57,540
investigate our own and to begin to sort

669
00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:00,120
of loosen our boundaries up a little bit

670
00:26:05,150 --> 00:26:03,240
so we're not constantly like we're not

671
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:05,160
like the operation board game where if

672
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,260
anybody touches the wrong part we like

673
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:09,120
lie it up and make a horrible sound you

674
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,460
know it's like we've gotten we've got to

675
00:26:16,790 --> 00:26:13,440
investigate our own presences so I think

676
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,800
that that's a step that's very safe and

677
00:26:21,050 --> 00:26:19,200
easy for us to pay just doing some inner

678
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,060
work when it comes to this kind of stuff

679
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:23,520
because we really think as a culture

680
00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:26,820
that sex is just all about chemistry and

681
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:28,590
everything just sort of flowing and

682
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:30,810
being perfect and that's that's some

683
00:26:33,770 --> 00:26:32,700
[\h__\h] that people have sold us you know

684
00:26:36,050 --> 00:26:33,780
that's a marketing

685
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,060
plans that's not what sex usually it is

686
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:38,820
usually it's like Oh like does this glow

687
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:40,710
job make me look fat like what do I have

688
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:42,600
to do tomorrow like we're doing it and

689
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:44,220
all these like years thoughts are going

690
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:46,310
through our head you know and and

691
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,050
encounter encounter this sort of non

692
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:51,960
immersive thought experiences that's as

693
00:26:58,820 --> 00:26:54,810
well huh interesting man

694
00:27:00,140 --> 00:26:58,830
so have you examined this the sexual

695
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:00,150
policing much throughout history

696
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:02,580
obviously today we have a softer and

697
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:04,980
kind of more assumed oppression of

698
00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:06,570
sexuality whereas in previous centuries

699
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:09,000
it was much more obvious and aggressive

700
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:12,690
right in some ways yes and in some ways

701
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:14,610
no I mean there's some times I look

702
00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:16,020
around them like wow things are really

703
00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:19,350
like worse than they've been now I'm not

704
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:21,060
talking about yeah I mean sure I'm not

705
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:22,980
talking about like the Inquisition like

706
00:27:26,780 --> 00:27:24,900
it's not it's not worse than that sense

707
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:26,790
but I think that there's a whole lot of

708
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,610
them that there's a whole lot of push

709
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:31,740
and pull between what people feel they

710
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,630
can say what people feel they can talk

711
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,760
about what people feel they can do I

712
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:37,740
mean have you if you've read a code of

713
00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:40,290
conduct manual on a college campus like

714
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,660
that [\h__\h] is crazy when it comes to

715
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:45,480
sexual encounters it's like you need to

716
00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:47,370
say you know can I touch your thigh

717
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:49,920
yes can I touch your hair yeah can I

718
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:51,900
touch ten any violation of that is

719
00:27:56,180 --> 00:27:53,910
considered sexual assault because the

720
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:56,190
people again in power who have the money

721
00:28:01,280 --> 00:27:58,410
are trying to cover their butt so

722
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,290
they're not sued and so you know when I

723
00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:03,120
talk about that when I go to colleges

724
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:04,950
and talk about consent I'm like did you

725
00:28:09,170 --> 00:28:07,410
guys consent to having a threesome with

726
00:28:12,410 --> 00:28:09,180
the author of the code of conduct manual

727
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,420
for for your school because that person

728
00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:14,580
is present every time you have that you

729
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:16,920
know so in some ways I feel like there's

730
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:19,290
this weird thought invasion when it

731
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:20,220
comes to sex

732
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,890
that is really pervasive I mean at least

733
00:28:27,290 --> 00:28:25,200
in different times it was like okay

734
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:27,300
you're going like you're going to hell

735
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:29,820
you know it's pretty like sort of black

736
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:32,010
blanketed in some sort of metaphysics

737
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:35,100
now it's this whole weird elaborate

738
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:37,890
complex thing about what you can and

739
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:41,910
cannot do that really worries me so and

740
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:44,790
and and it's important to note like the

741
00:28:47,530 --> 00:28:46,620
moment for sexual freedom is always

742
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:47,540
precarious

743
00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:50,330
like there's not a moment where we rest

744
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:52,520
and everything's fine I don't think

745
00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:54,620
that's ever happened I think that it's

746
00:28:58,750 --> 00:28:56,420
just sort of the depression just has

747
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,760
been shoved around in two different you

748
00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:01,760
know spot yeah I don't disagree with

749
00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:03,590
that and let's talk a little bit about

750
00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:06,740
how the occult and sexuality relate

751
00:29:10,570 --> 00:29:08,870
obviously we have the parallel stories

752
00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:10,580
of oppression throughout history but

753
00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:12,230
there's something deeper to this

754
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,990
relationship to wouldn't you say yeah I

755
00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:16,880
mean what do you have in mind when you

756
00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:18,740
say that are you talking about some of

757
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:21,230
the satanic abuse stuff are you talking

758
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:23,570
about more of the positive side of it or

759
00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:25,250
definitely more of the positive side

760
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,320
because when I say like historically

761
00:29:32,590 --> 00:29:30,080
parallel stories of oppression I mean

762
00:29:35,050 --> 00:29:32,600
from the top to the people regarding

763
00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:35,060
both their sexuality and magical

764
00:29:39,550 --> 00:29:37,430
exploration but also we could probably

765
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:39,560
talk about the symbolic aspects in that

766
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:41,710
regard the union of opposite the

767
00:29:46,990 --> 00:29:44,620
transmutation of spiritual alchemy

768
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:47,000
chakras there's a lot of people in the

769
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:48,710
east of Taric philosophy camps you talk

770
00:29:53,650 --> 00:29:51,740
about some symbolic aspects or energetic

771
00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:53,660
aspects that can be kind of interesting

772
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:55,580
and there might be some symbolism there

773
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:57,170
surrounding sex and magic worth

774
00:30:01,810 --> 00:29:59,450
exploring but as far as the negative

775
00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:01,820
stuff let's just table that we've done

776
00:30:05,530 --> 00:30:04,160
enough qualifying at this point and I

777
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:05,540
think we've seen enough smoke to know

778
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:07,130
there's fire in the case of child abuse

779
00:30:10,930 --> 00:30:08,990
among the elite and nobody here is

780
00:30:12,610 --> 00:30:10,940
trying to justify that but I want to

781
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:12,620
have a conversation more centered around

782
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:15,950
the people and aspects that might mean

783
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:18,230
something to us personally moreso than

784
00:30:21,490 --> 00:30:19,370
what's going on behind the curtain

785
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:21,500
that's been talked about plenty let's

786
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:23,330
talk about things that people can either

787
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:25,310
use in their life or at least reflect

788
00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:27,650
upon and in particular people who might

789
00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:29,780
have a cult interests as well if that

790
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:34,790
sounds good yeah well so my my sort of

791
00:30:39,550 --> 00:30:36,890
understanding of the occult I always try

792
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:39,560
to bring it back to you like if you just

793
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:41,450
sort of pay attention to your experience

794
00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:43,730
you'll understand that things are a lot

795
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:47,240
weirder than you thought and and if you

796
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:49,190
want to interpret the weirdness of your

797
00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:50,690
experience you need vehicle to do that

798
00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:53,540
so let's just break it down to something

799
00:30:58,290 --> 00:30:55,820
very simple that I'm sure a lot of your

800
00:31:00,180 --> 00:30:58,300
listeners has done which is masturbate

801
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:00,190
guilty and

802
00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:01,690
and I'll talk about the bridge the

803
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:03,700
bridge here so I'm going to talk about

804
00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:05,710
male masturbation because it's the kind

805
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:09,220
I'm the most acquainted with and I've

806
00:31:13,050 --> 00:31:11,260
you know maybe you acquainted yourself

807
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:13,060
with this a few times today dear

808
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:16,240
listener but but basically think about

809
00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:19,690
how weird it is that when you masturbate

810
00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:21,640
you either watch pornography or you're

811
00:31:27,570 --> 00:31:24,220
imagining pornographic scenes right so

812
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:27,580
you're creating pornography and you're

813
00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:30,510
merging your imaginative world or

814
00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:33,520
symbolic artistic imagery you're

815
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:36,400
bringing those into contact with a very

816
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:39,580
simple repetitive motion and after about

817
00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:42,850
five to ten minutes half the substance

818
00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:44,470
that creates life comes out of your body

819
00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:47,560
like that's completely bizarre that it

820
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:51,220
is this sort of feeling of the imagined

821
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,110
or symbolic realm and the physical realm

822
00:31:59,220 --> 00:31:55,500
in a very rudimentary way as this

823
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,230
tremendous effect and lets you know not

824
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:01,840
just the procreative effect or

825
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:03,370
potentially procreative effect but also

826
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:06,700
just the way it feels in your body the

827
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:08,260
thing that happens you in that moment

828
00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:10,450
that's really crazy

829
00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:15,040
if you think about it it is so that's if

830
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:17,020
you just start from there if you just

831
00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:18,580
start by looking at your everyday

832
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:21,400
experiences when you have sex what

833
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:25,810
exactly is going on why is it this

834
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:28,570
bizarre you know why do we why do we

835
00:32:34,110 --> 00:32:30,760
talk during sex for example why does a

836
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:34,120
sound that has that translates itself

837
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:37,510
into a meaning in our mind amplify the

838
00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:40,090
feeling we have in our bodies you notice

839
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,740
that mind-body connection really

840
00:32:46,620 --> 00:32:43,840
intensely during the sexual act and that

841
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:46,630
definitely has been a cult aspect when I

842
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:48,130
was a teenager I could just have a

843
00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:51,280
thought about a sexual thing or didn't

844
00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:52,870
even really have to be sexual like I

845
00:32:57,030 --> 00:32:54,760
could just be an algebra class and my

846
00:32:59,370 --> 00:32:57,040
body would respond like I would get a

847
00:33:02,580 --> 00:32:59,380
hard-on or whatever what is up with that

848
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:02,590
so you start noticing that bridge

849
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:05,890
between the world in sexuality it's very

850
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:09,760
odd is that so that's the first place I

851
00:33:12,509 --> 00:33:12,100
would go so we don't have to start

852
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:12,519
talking

853
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:14,409
about metaphysics or anything like that

854
00:33:18,479 --> 00:33:16,570
we just talked about phenomenology or

855
00:33:21,299 --> 00:33:18,489
basically the experiences that everybody

856
00:33:24,029 --> 00:33:21,309
had no mm and this is a strange

857
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,039
experience I mean the feeling of orgasm

858
00:33:30,449 --> 00:33:26,799
is really unlike anything it's the heart

859
00:33:32,609 --> 00:33:30,459
of most comedy routines and every movie

860
00:33:34,469 --> 00:33:32,619
has a love story and a lot of sex in it

861
00:33:36,539 --> 00:33:34,479
is just such a part of life and we

862
00:33:37,409 --> 00:33:36,549
really try to pretend that it isn't I

863
00:33:38,969 --> 00:33:37,419
guess you could say one of the

864
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:38,979
connections between the occult and sex

865
00:33:43,099 --> 00:33:40,809
is it's both of things we keep hidden

866
00:33:46,229 --> 00:33:43,109
from our public persona

867
00:33:49,139 --> 00:33:46,239
totally not only is it like such a big

868
00:33:51,779 --> 00:33:49,149
part of life it is life itself I mean

869
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:51,789
it's like you know sex is everybody's

870
00:33:55,619 --> 00:33:53,769
creation story so that's the call

871
00:33:58,259 --> 00:33:55,629
version it's like everybody has their

872
00:34:01,349 --> 00:33:58,269
own personal big bang you know as it

873
00:34:03,539 --> 00:34:01,359
were and so before you this did I mean

874
00:34:05,129 --> 00:34:03,549
just think think of like weird creation

875
00:34:06,869 --> 00:34:05,139
myths that you've ever read them they

876
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:06,879
basically sound like people having sex

877
00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:09,970
like okay before time existed and space

878
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:12,839
existed two giant beans came together

879
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,520
entangled their bodies and suddenly a

880
00:34:21,059 --> 00:34:17,440
world was one and that world was you

881
00:34:23,879 --> 00:34:21,069
like that's really strange if you think

882
00:34:26,369 --> 00:34:23,889
about it so it's just sort of breaking

883
00:34:29,279 --> 00:34:26,379
these things down and also and and note

884
00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:29,289
like you know sex is going to run

885
00:34:33,779 --> 00:34:31,270
through everything we do you don't have

886
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:33,789
to be afraid to believe that you just

887
00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:35,710
have to notice like I'm actually a

888
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,919
composite I'm the result of a sexual app

889
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:41,440
so it's going to follow me through my

890
00:34:47,250 --> 00:34:43,510
entire life and for me to not think that

891
00:34:49,049 --> 00:34:47,260
is you know would be naive mm-hmm men

892
00:34:52,169 --> 00:34:49,059
and and one of your writings you also

893
00:34:54,089 --> 00:34:52,179
refer to sex as an altered state and I

894
00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:54,099
could not help but agree with that it's

895
00:34:59,519 --> 00:34:55,799
probably the connective tissue between

896
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:59,529
sex magic and drugs or psychedelics it's

897
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:02,079
all about exploring altered states and

898
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:04,180
when a population is doing that I guess

899
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:06,730
they're way harder to control totally

900
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:09,130
you do conscious exploration and that's

901
00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:13,359
why so I love what you just said because

902
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:16,180
it's reminding me that one of the

903
00:35:22,019 --> 00:35:18,990
reasons sex is so regulated and so

904
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:22,029
contained in marketing and legislation

905
00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:23,890
schemes is because it doesn't allow us

906
00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:26,300
to think about it again

907
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:28,520
the kind of sex we are a quote-unquote

908
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,530
supposed to have or have in brain

909
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:32,240
Washington thinking we should have it's

910
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:34,100
completely immersive section no it's

911
00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:36,290
like concepts where two people stumble

912
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:38,120
into a hotel room in a movie and like

913
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:40,130
smash over the lamp of a nightstand

914
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:41,810
tearing each other's clothes off that's

915
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:45,170
not what most sex is like it can be like

916
00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:46,970
that which is and it's fun when it's

917
00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:48,980
right that but that's a version of thing

918
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:51,020
but we're told if that doesn't happen

919
00:35:54,970 --> 00:35:53,330
we've done it the wrong way that we

920
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:54,980
should feel guilty about it if it's not

921
00:35:58,690 --> 00:35:56,510
what someone we're passionately in love

922
00:36:00,880 --> 00:35:58,700
with all that kind of stuff and so as a

923
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:00,890
result we don't really get to think

924
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:04,010
about sex we have one kind of sex where

925
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:05,990
we feel guilty about it and the feelings

926
00:36:11,650 --> 00:36:07,750
of guilt and shame and confusion

927
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:11,660
overwhelm our ability to analyze think

928
00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:14,930
about consider the thing and so in that

929
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:18,260
sense were denied exploration of altered

930
00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:20,690
states of consciousness imagine having

931
00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:23,750
sex with someone you're not attracted to

932
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:26,750
for eight hours now that's what porn

933
00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:29,570
performers do very often we're asked to

934
00:36:34,330 --> 00:36:32,030
perform sex with somebody that we're not

935
00:36:35,590 --> 00:36:34,340
attracted to for hours on end while

936
00:36:38,110 --> 00:36:35,600
other people are standing around

937
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:38,120
recording the event that teaches you a

938
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:41,090
lot about the experience of intertwining

939
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:43,310
with somebody else because you get to be

940
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:45,410
reflective there's time to think there's

941
00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:48,290
time to consider it's not overwhelmed by

942
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:51,380
passion it's actually very athletic you

943
00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:53,540
have to be in a different zone and so

944
00:36:57,610 --> 00:36:56,030
that's where I've learned a lot of new

945
00:37:00,730 --> 00:36:57,620
lessons without sex and I think a lot of

946
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:00,740
sex workers in general learn sort of new

947
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:02,810
lessons about sex that are hidden from

948
00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:05,480
us again by people trying to sell us a

949
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,750
certain version of it yeah I really

950
00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:10,160
hadn't thought about it that way but I

951
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:11,420
guess it's just another day at the

952
00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:14,930
office for you in some regards but I do

953
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:17,390
think it's kind of interesting like okay

954
00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:19,250
let me ask you because you've had sex

955
00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:20,630
with thousands of people and the more

956
00:37:24,580 --> 00:37:22,700
experience you have with something the

957
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:24,590
deeper understanding of it you have that

958
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:27,380
said in a lot of areas of study broadly

959
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,330
speaking there's usually some fairly

960
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:31,520
standard evolution of thought when

961
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:33,290
you've looked at a subject for say 10

962
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:35,570
years versus five years versus one year

963
00:37:40,059 --> 00:37:38,330
do you think your sexual understanding

964
00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:40,069
that's had those types of

965
00:37:43,180 --> 00:37:41,660
milestone so could you share maybe some

966
00:37:44,589 --> 00:37:43,190
insights you've gotten at those higher

967
00:37:47,859 --> 00:37:44,599
levels that a lot of us just aren't

968
00:37:50,049 --> 00:37:47,869
going to reach yeah sure I mean and just

969
00:37:52,989 --> 00:37:50,059
to sort of reference what you're saying

970
00:37:56,259 --> 00:37:52,999
I mean something about having sex with

971
00:37:59,019 --> 00:37:56,269
lots of people I think people sort of

972
00:38:00,969 --> 00:37:59,029
fancy themselves sexual experts right

973
00:38:03,989 --> 00:38:00,979
like you have spiritual gurus and

974
00:38:06,819 --> 00:38:03,999
neuroscientist and second wave feminists

975
00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:06,829
whatever just talking about sex as if

976
00:38:10,029 --> 00:38:08,390
they know what they're talking about and

977
00:38:11,650 --> 00:38:10,039
I'm always like how many people have you

978
00:38:13,809 --> 00:38:11,660
had sex with and they're like 10 I'm

979
00:38:15,999 --> 00:38:13,819
like I'm sorry it's just not going to

980
00:38:17,699 --> 00:38:16,009
cut it like you're not an expert you can

981
00:38:19,449 --> 00:38:17,709
be an expert in your own sexuality

982
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,459
everybody's an expert in their own

983
00:38:24,009 --> 00:38:22,160
sexuality because that's just you but to

984
00:38:27,729 --> 00:38:24,019
be an expert in sex you got to have a

985
00:38:29,439 --> 00:38:27,739
lot of sex choose how it goes and you've

986
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:29,449
got to have different kinds of sex you

987
00:38:34,059 --> 00:38:30,920
got to have different kinds of partners

988
00:38:36,819 --> 00:38:34,069
and in some ways one could argue that

989
00:38:39,999 --> 00:38:36,829
I'm a total beginner when it comes to

990
00:38:41,709 --> 00:38:40,009
like heterosexuals X however I don't

991
00:38:44,019 --> 00:38:41,719
think that's true I think that you have

992
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:44,029
to have tons of you just have to have

993
00:38:48,609 --> 00:38:45,920
tons of sex and observe what happens to

994
00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:48,619
you and your body in those times and and

995
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:50,599
your thoughts in their time to begin to

996
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:52,130
become an expert about the sexual

997
00:38:58,900 --> 00:38:55,729
experience so what I think is you know

998
00:39:01,079 --> 00:38:58,910
over time with the sort of accumulation

999
00:39:03,579 --> 00:39:01,089
of experiences that I've had I

1000
00:39:05,650 --> 00:39:03,589
definitely learned some of the stuff

1001
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:05,660
that I talked about before that sex has

1002
00:39:10,569 --> 00:39:07,849
a sort of thought aspect that needs to

1003
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:10,579
be paid attention to the text has a sort

1004
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:13,130
of detachment aspect that can be really

1005
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:17,690
healthy when you say oh my body is doing

1006
00:39:21,759 --> 00:39:19,849
this right now and you start sort of

1007
00:39:23,289 --> 00:39:21,769
getting this observational space when

1008
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:23,299
you're having sex that can give you

1009
00:39:29,009 --> 00:39:25,609
something really special but what those

1010
00:39:32,549 --> 00:39:29,019
boil down to is that intimacy is

1011
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:32,559
impersonal what do I mean by that I mean

1012
00:39:37,209 --> 00:39:35,209
intimacy is like it's something that we

1013
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,219
create with other people and that we can

1014
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:39,920
create at any time and that's something

1015
00:39:44,349 --> 00:39:41,690
that again I learned from being

1016
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:44,359
scheduled to have sex with somebody at a

1017
00:39:48,849 --> 00:39:46,130
certain time for a certain length of

1018
00:39:50,469 --> 00:39:48,859
time all that kind of stuff I show up on

1019
00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:50,479
the set and it's somebody that I'm not

1020
00:39:56,059 --> 00:39:53,430
into and I have to find my way in

1021
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:56,069
no pun intended I've defined my way into

1022
00:40:00,740 --> 00:39:58,260
that sexual experience so I have to find

1023
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:00,750
something and generate my own attraction

1024
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:03,030
to that person so I seek through my head

1025
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:04,800
okay when I'm charged with this or this

1026
00:40:09,260 --> 00:40:06,780
or this over a certain period of time

1027
00:40:12,020 --> 00:40:09,270
you understand that you can really do

1028
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:12,030
that with anybody if you want and it's

1029
00:40:16,099 --> 00:40:13,160
not something that I necessarily

1030
00:40:19,089 --> 00:40:16,109
recommend to everybody but I just want

1031
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:19,099
to call out this culture that sort of

1032
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:23,400
lazily depends on chemistry to sort of

1033
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:25,079
carry you through the sexual experience

1034
00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:27,750
I have to be attracted the person I have

1035
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,119
it no no no you actually create that

1036
00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:32,160
experience it's not just sitting there

1037
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:35,780
waiting for you you're generating it and

1038
00:40:40,819 --> 00:40:38,579
that was a lesson of that cultural

1039
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,829
revolution we're talking about with

1040
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,540
hippies and stuff like that like they

1041
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:44,579
just decide to go for it you know what

1042
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:46,410
love is free I'm going today I'm going

1043
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:48,450
to generate this kind of loving feeling

1044
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:50,490
for other people that's another reason

1045
00:40:54,799 --> 00:40:53,010
why it Beck's is like really threatening

1046
00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:54,809
to people in power because you start

1047
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:57,660
like realizing that you can generate

1048
00:41:01,280 --> 00:40:59,579
intimacy and chemistry with anybody that

1049
00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:01,290
you want and suddenly you don't want to

1050
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:03,390
go and like kill people anymore you just

1051
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:05,339
want to have sex with them like oh we

1052
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:06,839
can just have this kind of relationship

1053
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:08,520
with each other instead of like and

1054
00:41:13,549 --> 00:41:11,010
settle it that way in some giant sexual

1055
00:41:16,270 --> 00:41:13,559
potlatch instead of having you know an

1056
00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:16,280
orgy of war with each other instead

1057
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:17,540
mm-hmm

1058
00:41:23,299 --> 00:41:21,359
fair enough and you know on the subject

1059
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:23,309
of control schemes I've been just

1060
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,020
thinking about this a lot and trying to

1061
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:27,359
get ready for the show and to touch on

1062
00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:29,190
the subject of raising children in the

1063
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,990
traditional family model which is

1064
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:33,599
something conspiracy people are kind of

1065
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:35,490
obsessed with a certain section of them

1066
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:37,410
that traditional nuclear family

1067
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:40,049
there are conspiratorial arguments that

1068
00:41:44,359 --> 00:41:42,150
much of what the elite do is an attack

1069
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:44,369
on that but there are also arguments

1070
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:47,700
that by pushing the idea that these two

1071
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:50,720
person man woman couplings is the only

1072
00:41:56,359 --> 00:41:53,490
acceptable way to live you make people

1073
00:41:58,099 --> 00:41:56,369
far more controllable especially if you

1074
00:41:59,900 --> 00:41:58,109
make them solely responsible for their

1075
00:42:01,730 --> 00:41:59,910
dependents and then they're locked into

1076
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:01,740
a hamster wheel job for most of their

1077
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:04,710
lives this is a way of kind of looking

1078
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:07,140
at that nuclear family as

1079
00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:09,120
ancient control scheme to an extent

1080
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:12,630
couldn't you say yeah I think that um I

1081
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,690
think that if any of those pro-nuclear

1082
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:17,280
family people are still listening at

1083
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:20,130
this point I just want to say like I

1084
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:23,700
totally respect people's right to and

1085
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,700
desire even to have that kind of family

1086
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:29,040
unit I think they might want to

1087
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:31,410
investigate why that's important to them

1088
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:33,000
and come up with real reasons other than

1089
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:34,650
just like that's just what I want that's

1090
00:42:38,060 --> 00:42:36,150
what my parents said that's what I you

1091
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:38,070
know I think investigate that but I'm

1092
00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:40,440
sympathetic to wanting to have whatever

1093
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:42,750
kinds of relationships you want to have

1094
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,110
and feeling that those things might be

1095
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:48,240
assaulted eroded by the culture that we

1096
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:48,660
live in

1097
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:52,260
I don't like go for it and understand

1098
00:42:58,220 --> 00:42:55,980
that you should not be enforcing that

1099
00:43:00,140 --> 00:42:58,230
kind of cultural control and erosion

1100
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:00,150
toward anyone else's kind of

1101
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:03,420
relationship either that's all I ask

1102
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:05,400
you know I mean I think it's pretty

1103
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:08,550
simple identify that people in power

1104
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:09,900
trying to regulate the kinds of

1105
00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:11,910
relationships we have this is actually

1106
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:14,820
something that I and a lot of a lot of

1107
00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:17,190
gay people although this was not known

1108
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:19,320
by most straight people of time why a

1109
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:21,240
lot of us oppose gay marriage I mean

1110
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:24,210
we're totally against it and it was not

1111
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:25,440
part of the general cultural

1112
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,060
conversation it was because it was like

1113
00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:29,940
but I don't I don't care I mean people

1114
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:32,550
if people want to get married like go

1115
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,250
for it but likewise this conversation

1116
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:37,560
you know we opposed this conversation

1117
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:38,550
that should have said that we oppose

1118
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:41,910
this conversation that leads out all the

1119
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:43,770
people that really don't give a [\h__\h]

1120
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,990
about getting married but more to the

1121
00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:47,520
point we don't give a [\h__\h] about getting

1122
00:43:52,190 --> 00:43:48,750
married because that means that the

1123
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:52,200
state then intercede in Vaes and has

1124
00:43:56,180 --> 00:43:53,970
control over the kinds of relationships

1125
00:43:59,180 --> 00:43:56,190
who are supposed to have and we have to

1126
00:44:02,120 --> 00:43:59,190
get like a state approved stamp on our

1127
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:02,130
relationship and not only that like it

1128
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:03,900
has consequences for the people that

1129
00:44:08,570 --> 00:44:05,400
don't want that State Approved

1130
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:08,580
relationship and so all those people are

1131
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:10,260
denied that don't get the same rights as

1132
00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:12,750
we do and it's all because it's all

1133
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:14,580
because the people who are married and

1134
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:16,710
getting married are enforcing and

1135
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:18,210
supporting state control and power

1136
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:19,910
because they're and

1137
00:44:26,410 --> 00:44:23,420
the models with APIs cool and so that is

1138
00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:26,420
you know our entire economic system is

1139
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:27,980
based on a certain kind of relationship

1140
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:30,650
and so if you want to look at how you're

1141
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,089
reinforcing and supporting power

1142
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:33,920
structures look no further than the

1143
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:35,150
kinds of relationships that you have

1144
00:44:39,269 --> 00:44:37,369
with each other those are claims the

1145
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,279
state hands you know in a lot of ways

1146
00:44:45,819 --> 00:44:41,839
right I mean you're talking to a guys

1147
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:45,829
getting married thirty days like I said

1148
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:48,049
I'm down man like I think if people have

1149
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:49,940
wedding have loved ceremonies have

1150
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:51,740
commitment ceremonies do all that kind

1151
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:54,200
of stuff it's just the you know have

1152
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:56,329
something more in your conversation you

1153
00:45:00,370 --> 00:44:57,740
talk about it publicly that's why I'm

1154
00:45:02,589 --> 00:45:00,380
always like dude like you guys like you

1155
00:45:04,509 --> 00:45:02,599
too you know Brian and Brian go get

1156
00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:04,519
married to each other I don't care just

1157
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:07,190
make sure you tell people that like it's

1158
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:09,230
not the only kind of relationship that's

1159
00:45:14,049 --> 00:45:11,390
available or that needs to be had in our

1160
00:45:16,089 --> 00:45:14,059
culture and that's a fair point a lot of

1161
00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:16,099
it like you mentioned is related to

1162
00:45:20,109 --> 00:45:18,680
economics you have to get a partner to

1163
00:45:22,269 --> 00:45:20,119
get through this life because you can't

1164
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:22,279
do it alone I mean you can but it's much

1165
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:25,130
harder but okay so this is going to get

1166
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:26,720
a little raw man I'm gonna get honest

1167
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:29,630
but you tell me if I'm wrong so I've

1168
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:31,670
been hearing a couple different sects

1169
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:34,130
freedom advocates saying that monogamy

1170
00:45:38,529 --> 00:45:36,619
is ridiculous and we should explore more

1171
00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:38,539
partners in our lives and maybe be more

1172
00:45:43,269 --> 00:45:40,460
open to sexual exploration and

1173
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:43,279
experimentation and I got no issues with

1174
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:45,470
that perspective really but I think

1175
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,640
about two things

1176
00:45:52,029 --> 00:45:50,000
one may be homosexual men have a greater

1177
00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:52,039
tendency to feel that way because they

1178
00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:54,230
have less potential consequences than

1179
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,420
heterosexual sex because if I get three

1180
00:45:59,650 --> 00:45:57,920
different women pregnant my life is

1181
00:46:02,220 --> 00:45:59,660
pretty much [\h__\h] in this society and

1182
00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:02,230
number two if you're gay then the

1183
00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:05,150
procreation aspects of sex go away and

1184
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:06,950
your dick is just a fun stick and I get

1185
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:09,470
that but gay men also don't have to deal

1186
00:46:13,809 --> 00:46:11,569
with the female psychology which i think

1187
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:13,819
is different and I think wants different

1188
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:14,569
things

1189
00:46:19,690 --> 00:46:16,430
maybe it's manipulated to a degree as

1190
00:46:22,269 --> 00:46:19,700
well but I wonder how applicable those

1191
00:46:27,849 --> 00:46:22,279
ideas are to a largely straight society

1192
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:27,859
yeah I mean first of all I think they

1193
00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:29,569
have to be at they have to be applicable

1194
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:31,670
because people cheat on each other all

1195
00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:33,410
the time so

1196
00:46:36,729 --> 00:46:34,700
it's time to look at the fact that

1197
00:46:39,279 --> 00:46:36,739
people who say they're monogamous very

1198
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:39,289
often or not and if you're listening to

1199
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:42,170
the show and you say you are a total Pro

1200
00:46:46,749 --> 00:46:43,880
monogamy but you have cheated on your

1201
00:46:48,819 --> 00:46:46,759
partner you're not throw monogamy super

1202
00:46:50,469 --> 00:46:48,829
critical it it doesn't B's because

1203
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:50,479
you're a hypocrite it's just look at who

1204
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:53,450
you are and say like what happened in

1205
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:55,249
that moment what Crushers was I feeling

1206
00:46:59,079 --> 00:46:57,049
you know cultural pressures I'm just

1207
00:47:00,640 --> 00:46:59,089
relational pressures like what was I

1208
00:47:02,529 --> 00:47:00,650
feeling in that moment that I couldn't

1209
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:02,539
do this why could I not talk to my

1210
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:04,130
partner about what I wanted all that

1211
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,410
kind of stuff right I think monogamy is

1212
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,960
again monogamy is fine as long as you

1213
00:47:12,849 --> 00:47:10,640
recognize it as one of the great

1214
00:47:15,729 --> 00:47:12,859
widespread sexual perversions of our

1215
00:47:17,019 --> 00:47:15,739
time it is pretty pretty intense to live

1216
00:47:19,089 --> 00:47:17,029
with someone for the rest of your life

1217
00:47:22,569 --> 00:47:19,099
and hold yourself in two places

1218
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:22,579
withholding repressive sexual relation

1219
00:47:25,089 --> 00:47:24,650
like oh I just get to deal with my

1220
00:47:27,069 --> 00:47:25,099
partner

1221
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:27,079
that's a perversion and I don't I don't

1222
00:47:31,569 --> 00:47:29,420
mean that in a bad way I'm far be it for

1223
00:47:33,849 --> 00:47:31,579
me to call perversions back I just think

1224
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:33,859
it's like you have to recognize that

1225
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:35,450
there's something that your eroticizing

1226
00:47:40,839 --> 00:47:37,910
about that that is a sexual thing that

1227
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:40,849
you're doing and so if we do that and we

1228
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:42,890
say okay well that's my preferred you

1229
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:45,410
know saying I like that feeling of

1230
00:47:50,529 --> 00:47:48,170
frustration withholding all that concept

1231
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:50,539
and go ahead if you're unhappy in that

1232
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:53,450
then you know and it's not it's messing

1233
00:47:57,819 --> 00:47:54,559
you up you might want to reconsider

1234
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,829
because the fact is and I'll point it in

1235
00:48:01,989 --> 00:47:59,359
the other direction to the fact is that

1236
00:48:03,579 --> 00:48:01,999
most people are monogamous I think

1237
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,589
because they're insecure about their

1238
00:48:07,809 --> 00:48:05,359
partner leading them most people are

1239
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:07,819
open because they're afraid of

1240
00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:08,569
commitment

1241
00:48:14,019 --> 00:48:12,140
and it needs to be that you enter into

1242
00:48:16,359 --> 00:48:14,029
the relating model you have with your

1243
00:48:18,099 --> 00:48:16,369
partner intentionally not out of the

1244
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:18,109
knee-jerk reaction or cultural pressure

1245
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,450
how many people do that I mean that is

1246
00:48:25,450 --> 00:48:22,640
very rare that people like okay this is

1247
00:48:27,459 --> 00:48:25,460
actually what I've decided and my

1248
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:27,469
partner's decide we want with each other

1249
00:48:31,959 --> 00:48:29,660
very intentionally there's been a deep

1250
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:31,969
discussion about it and we've decided

1251
00:48:37,299 --> 00:48:34,729
you know understand all these options

1252
00:48:39,849 --> 00:48:37,309
are available to you that we don't even

1253
00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:39,859
think about like with my partner it's

1254
00:48:44,019 --> 00:48:41,960
like okay let's be monogamous this month

1255
00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:44,029
and the next month we'll do something

1256
00:48:49,210 --> 00:48:47,150
else or you can save your partner list

1257
00:48:50,530 --> 00:48:49,220
monogamous you know and revisit the

1258
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:50,540
converse the revisit this conversation

1259
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:52,850
every six months you can say let's be

1260
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:54,770
monogamous for a day it doesn't have to

1261
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:56,810
be a lifelong thing you can move in and

1262
00:49:00,940 --> 00:48:58,130
out of the state kind of like being

1263
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:00,950
vegetarian you know I mean it's like did

1264
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:03,470
it do it do what it's healthy for you in

1265
00:49:08,530 --> 00:49:05,720
that moment and then you can revert and

1266
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:08,540
have it have a cheat day so to speak you

1267
00:49:13,060 --> 00:49:11,270
know whatever the lots of versions that

1268
00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:13,070
are available but you should do it what

1269
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:15,830
you really want what you truly want and

1270
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,770
that entails investigating what you want

1271
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:20,480
now I didn't really answer your question

1272
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:24,380
about do the gay things apply to the

1273
00:49:29,050 --> 00:49:27,560
street people or whatever I can still do

1274
00:49:31,390 --> 00:49:29,060
that but I just talked a lot so I'll

1275
00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:31,400
back on a second this if you want to

1276
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:33,140
aged any of that stuff well that's

1277
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:34,850
really all I was going to reiterate is

1278
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:37,490
like obviously nothing's impossible and

1279
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:39,410
people can find ways to live in many

1280
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:41,780
different nuanced ways but I think it's

1281
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:45,380
easier for two guys to have that type of

1282
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,170
paradigm that you're discussing of like

1283
00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:50,480
flipping monogamy on and off than it is

1284
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,060
for a man and woman one because if

1285
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:55,280
there's kids involved first off the

1286
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:56,930
psychology between men and women is so

1287
00:50:01,180 --> 00:49:58,850
different already just trying to make it

1288
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:01,190
work in a simple fashion is difficult I

1289
00:50:04,930 --> 00:50:03,170
mean it's a cliche joke everybody's

1290
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:04,940
heard that when people get frustrated

1291
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:06,740
dealing with the opposite sex are like

1292
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,850
well I'm just going to go gay and

1293
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:09,440
simplify this because I can't understand

1294
00:50:13,210 --> 00:50:11,030
that opposite sex everybody's heard that

1295
00:50:17,310 --> 00:50:13,220
joke and there's some truth there's it's

1296
00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:17,320
very difficult so managing just that

1297
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:19,460
sexual relationship that's supposed to

1298
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:21,170
last a long time let's say in a marriage

1299
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:23,900
is hard to add those elements where you

1300
00:50:29,050 --> 00:50:26,990
have now two different psychologies that

1301
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:29,060
are dealing with jealousy and different

1302
00:50:32,860 --> 00:50:30,770
issues like that if they have kids

1303
00:50:34,780 --> 00:50:32,870
obviously that can split up families and

1304
00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:34,790
when when families are split up kids are

1305
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:36,560
affected in this modern world of course

1306
00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:38,030
there's other ways to do that too he

1307
00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:39,500
takes a village to raise a kid

1308
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:41,720
indigenous cultures and tribes have been

1309
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:43,640
doing it that way with great success so

1310
00:50:49,210 --> 00:50:46,400
they say but in our culture kids who go

1311
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:49,220
through divorced families often do have

1312
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:51,830
issues growing up and people also can

1313
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:53,150
grow up with issues it really isn't

1314
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:55,550
going to kill you but again I just think

1315
00:50:59,740 --> 00:50:56,810
there's that difference I think it might

1316
00:51:01,000 --> 00:50:59,750
be easier for two guys yeah I mean I

1317
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,010
think you'll find

1318
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:04,400
now whether or not this is a compulsive

1319
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:06,290
thing or an intentional thing for you

1320
00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:07,430
and your relationship in your

1321
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:09,590
heterosexual relationship by simply

1322
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:11,930
asking yourself right now what if I

1323
00:51:16,810 --> 00:51:14,750
brought this up to my partner so ask

1324
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:16,820
yourself importantly what if I said um

1325
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,470
sweetheart what if we had an open

1326
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:20,720
relationship and if you find yourself

1327
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:22,970
thinking there's no way in hell I can

1328
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:24,950
talk to Cheryl about that or whatever

1329
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:27,710
you [\h__\h] you'll find yourself like oh

1330
00:51:33,010 --> 00:51:30,950
it's actually not about like what's

1331
00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:33,020
available to us it's about me not being

1332
00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:35,240
able to speak because you should at

1333
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,500
least be able to have the conversation

1334
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,680
so I just want to say that I don't want

1335
00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:42,800
to get into a you and I could talk about

1336
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:44,630
it for hours so I don't really want to

1337
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,970
get into whether or not there is an

1338
00:51:50,890 --> 00:51:49,040
essential female or male psychology I

1339
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:50,900
don't think there is but I think that

1340
00:51:56,140 --> 00:51:53,540
that's to be honest it's a conversation

1341
00:51:58,270 --> 00:51:56,150
that it's happening like on every other

1342
00:52:00,640 --> 00:51:58,280
podcast in the world right now and so

1343
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:00,650
it's a little boring and I'm really

1344
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:03,110
really Kola rising in a way that it's

1345
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:05,270
like I'd rather just talk about the

1346
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:06,830
other interesting things about what you

1347
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:09,650
said so I think any kind of relationship

1348
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:12,230
can work as long as the communication is

1349
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:14,330
available and no relationship will work

1350
00:52:18,340 --> 00:52:16,670
if it's not so those are the kinds of

1351
00:52:21,310 --> 00:52:18,350
questions to ask yourself about like am

1352
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:21,320
i able to communicate with my partner am

1353
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:23,510
I able to show like show up with a

1354
00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:25,400
what-if scenario without everything

1355
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:28,190
falling apart and if you can you have an

1356
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:31,310
issue and that I think is like the basis

1357
00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:33,410
of a lot of problems in our culture when

1358
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,720
it comes to sex in general which is

1359
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:37,760
we're not allowed to even discuss it

1360
00:52:41,410 --> 00:52:39,290
we're not allowed to talk about our

1361
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:41,420
family we're not allowed to even like

1362
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:43,910
say hey you know I'm not going to act on

1363
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:46,190
this but I imagine it in other words

1364
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:50,030
there is a cultural demand that we not

1365
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:52,490
even imagine certain things and that is

1366
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:54,590
hugely problematic and that again is

1367
00:53:00,220 --> 00:52:57,890
about the war against consciousness no

1368
00:53:01,870 --> 00:53:00,230
that's well said and I do agree with you

1369
00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:01,880
it's like is your relationship really

1370
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:05,270
based on complete trust openness and

1371
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:08,480
honesty or are there huge blacked-out

1372
00:53:13,390 --> 00:53:11,090
areas where you cannot go with the

1373
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:13,400
person that you are tied to for the rest

1374
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:14,690
of your life

1375
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:17,750
on paper and yeah that is an issue if

1376
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:19,490
you can't broach certain subjects with

1377
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:21,670
them you know something else I was

1378
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:24,800
interested in going through just all the

1379
00:53:30,849 --> 00:53:27,800
areas where occultism and sexuality

1380
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:30,859
intersect and I'm kind of intellectually

1381
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:32,450
intrigued by these schools of thought

1382
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,810
that by forgoing orgasm completely you

1383
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:38,720
can actually reach other sorts of

1384
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,609
enlightened states I don't think I'd

1385
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:42,319
ever have the discipline but have you

1386
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:43,970
ever looked into that realm or anything

1387
00:53:50,410 --> 00:53:47,740
like that yeah well there's there's well

1388
00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:50,420
it's not usually orgasm the thought of

1389
00:53:55,630 --> 00:53:53,390
this orgasm ejaculation is the more

1390
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:55,640
common fair and there is a difference

1391
00:54:00,609 --> 00:53:58,160
yes so men are not supposed to ejaculate

1392
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:00,619
because it reaches like blah blah this

1393
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:01,910
think of charissa

1394
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:05,930
I think fundamentalist nonsense I'm not

1395
00:54:09,790 --> 00:54:07,970
saying don't experiment with it I'm just

1396
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:09,800
saying when you look into croutha and we

1397
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:12,290
look at some of the people who hype it

1398
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:14,569
up a lot of what they're talking about

1399
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,510
has a moral component and that's what I

1400
00:54:21,099 --> 00:54:19,280
find really problematic that people are

1401
00:54:22,450 --> 00:54:21,109
like oh well you're just so much night

1402
00:54:23,980 --> 00:54:22,460
during the relationship and you blah

1403
00:54:28,329 --> 00:54:23,990
blah blah blah I mean I just think that

1404
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,339
I find that like to be an issue I don't

1405
00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:29,839
find a problem with people experimenting

1406
00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:32,540
with it I just like mostly when I read

1407
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:34,940
that kind of stuff it's like we're not

1408
00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:38,810
sex negative people um and we just think

1409
00:54:42,790 --> 00:54:40,520
we just think that you need to do this

1410
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:42,800
because you'll be nicer happier have a

1411
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:46,010
better life and blah blah it's like okay

1412
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:48,710
you're basically moralizing about the

1413
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:50,030
thing that you say you're not moralizing

1414
00:54:53,980 --> 00:54:52,670
about and it's always supposed to bury

1415
00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:53,990
often you also see these things are

1416
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:55,640
supposed to take place between two

1417
00:55:02,740 --> 00:54:59,119
partners like your partner in a

1418
00:55:04,540 --> 00:55:02,750
committed relationship and so I just you

1419
00:55:06,339 --> 00:55:04,550
know if people can point me to better

1420
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:06,349
instances of that what people are

1421
00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:08,410
talking about it in a really sort of

1422
00:55:13,210 --> 00:55:11,180
free/liberated way I'd be totally open

1423
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:13,220
to checking it out I just don't see it

1424
00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:15,740
in that context very much fair enough

1425
00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:18,260
yeah I know I know abstinence worked for

1426
00:55:22,059 --> 00:55:20,329
George Costanza in a Seinfeld episode I

1427
00:55:25,089 --> 00:55:22,069
don't know how applicable that is for

1428
00:55:28,030 --> 00:55:25,099
everybody well let me ask you just about

1429
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:28,040
sex magic or tantric practices of any

1430
00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:28,490
kind

1431
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:31,220
have you have you combined your interest

1432
00:55:34,570 --> 00:55:33,290
in the occult and sexuality in any

1433
00:55:37,150 --> 00:55:34,580
significant way that might be

1434
00:55:40,359 --> 00:55:37,160
interesting to people explaining them

1435
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:40,369
like people and and I want people to

1436
00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:42,740
take this away from this podcast -

1437
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:45,500
people ask me about do I do sex magic

1438
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:50,000
all time and I don't and the reason why

1439
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:53,630
is because sex is magic I don't need to

1440
00:55:58,330 --> 00:55:55,610
turn it into something I don't need to

1441
00:55:59,500 --> 00:55:58,340
utilize it I just need to again all the

1442
00:56:01,150 --> 00:55:59,510
stuff I was talking about before

1443
00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:01,160
pay attention what's happing in the

1444
00:56:04,930 --> 00:56:03,320
sexual extreme a lot of sex magic works

1445
00:56:06,940 --> 00:56:04,940
on the principle that you were just sort

1446
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:06,950
of paying attention to what happens in

1447
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:11,090
your body and somehow importing kinds of

1448
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:12,950
meaning to the occult meaning - all

1449
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:13,850
these things that are happening in your

1450
00:56:17,859 --> 00:56:16,250
body like then I do that when I have sex

1451
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:17,869
anyway and if you do that when you have

1452
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:20,330
sex anyway sex will become magic in your

1453
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:23,810
life after you like nothing will push

1454
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,450
your consciousness forward like paying

1455
00:56:32,109 --> 00:56:29,119
attention to the sex you have adding

1456
00:56:34,210 --> 00:56:32,119
more sex and being open to new sexual

1457
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:34,220
experiences that is the [\h__\h] that will

1458
00:56:39,790 --> 00:56:36,609
bring you up on a chain of human

1459
00:56:41,770 --> 00:56:39,800
progression of consciousness so just do

1460
00:56:43,930 --> 00:56:41,780
that and you don't need to like you know

1461
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:43,940
light a black candle and like you know

1462
00:56:46,930 --> 00:56:45,710
paint a snake on your back before you

1463
00:56:49,420 --> 00:56:46,940
have sex with your partner know what

1464
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:49,430
that's worth like you can just you can

1465
00:56:53,950 --> 00:56:52,490
just get there by having you know lots

1466
00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:53,960
of pleasure and paying attention what's

1467
00:56:57,070 --> 00:56:55,430
going on hmm

1468
00:56:59,800 --> 00:56:57,080
and what do you think would be some of

1469
00:57:01,570 --> 00:56:59,810
the benefits of doing that that might

1470
00:57:03,790 --> 00:57:01,580
not be obvious to people how would it

1471
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:03,800
affect other areas of your life if you

1472
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:06,290
really were to be serious and nailed

1473
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:08,810
down trying to get deeper into your own

1474
00:57:14,890 --> 00:57:10,910
sexuality yeah okay

1475
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:14,900
so here's a really good here's a good

1476
00:57:22,359 --> 00:57:19,430
example from my life um so I like many

1477
00:57:24,370 --> 00:57:22,369
people was a sexual races and what do I

1478
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,380
mean by that and people have a real

1479
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:26,000
problem with this like I was only

1480
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,609
attracted to a certain kind of guy of

1481
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:31,040
certain ethnicity right like they're

1482
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:34,010
white or they were Arabs like me so I'm

1483
00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:36,650
half Irish my mom's my mom's Irish my

1484
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:38,900
dad's from Sirius a half Irish in half

1485
00:57:45,690 --> 00:57:42,260
Arab and so I wasn't attracted to

1486
00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:45,700
black guys or asian guys or whatever and

1487
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:50,900
by allowing myself to enter into the

1488
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:52,460
text works in areas that I did where I

1489
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:53,930
had that sex with people whereas like

1490
00:57:59,590 --> 00:57:55,970
not just the people that I preferred

1491
00:58:02,620 --> 00:57:59,600
that begins to unlock my ability to

1492
00:58:05,830 --> 00:58:02,630
sexualize people and be attracted to

1493
00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:05,840
people who were not just white dudes or

1494
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:07,670
Arab dudes or white Arab Jews or

1495
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:10,609
whatever and as a result but nothing

1496
00:58:15,099 --> 00:58:12,020
allows you to really humanize people

1497
00:58:17,290 --> 00:58:15,109
like being attracted to them it's the

1498
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:17,300
exact opposite of what people say like

1499
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:19,970
Oh sexualizing someone or eroticizing

1500
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:22,550
someone or it's a justification and that

1501
00:58:27,940 --> 00:58:25,010
means to humanization quite the contrary

1502
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:27,950
like when you allow somebody into your

1503
00:58:34,030 --> 00:58:30,890
sort of erotic ideas your Rob states

1504
00:58:36,430 --> 00:58:34,040
like they become more human to you in a

1505
00:58:37,930 --> 00:58:36,440
huge way and I think let's just find

1506
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,940
this this is true that doesn't mean that

1507
00:58:41,849 --> 00:58:39,440
there's no problems that doesn't mean

1508
00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:41,859
that we but that we see somebody it's

1509
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,880
completely human just because we're

1510
00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:45,680
attracted to them I mean obviously like

1511
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:48,020
men treat women like [\h__\h] like you know

1512
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:51,020
across the board however it means that

1513
00:58:55,090 --> 00:58:53,330
you've opened up some space for yourself

1514
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:55,100
to relate to that person as another

1515
00:58:58,660 --> 00:58:55,850
human being

1516
00:59:01,630 --> 00:58:58,670
whereas before is like you know my

1517
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,640
racism stuff like my all the little like

1518
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:03,920
pieces of my racism started just falling

1519
00:59:07,060 --> 00:59:05,570
away as I became more and more

1520
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:07,070
attractive as people with different

1521
00:59:10,530 --> 00:59:07,760
reason um

1522
00:59:13,570 --> 00:59:10,540
I can run track to everybody and I mean

1523
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:13,580
I'm not attracted every bit about can be

1524
00:59:17,530 --> 00:59:15,530
attracted everybody and people of all

1525
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:17,540
sort of different kinds of bodies and

1526
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:19,670
you know different races all that kind

1527
00:59:24,460 --> 00:59:22,880
of stuff I'm much more much more present

1528
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:24,470
with them as a person and they're much

1529
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:26,570
more present for me as people so a lot

1530
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:28,730
of just my thumb [\h__\h] went away by

1531
00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:31,970
Ross anymore people hmm that's

1532
00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:35,420
interesting sex is a teacher that's what

1533
00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:38,540
I try to say like you know sex is a

1534
00:59:44,290 --> 00:59:41,990
mystery and by that I mean you'll always

1535
00:59:46,450 --> 00:59:44,300
learn more from it that you can learn

1536
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:46,460
about it it's always going to be one

1537
00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:48,710
step ahead of you so follow it

1538
00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:51,380
don't pretend you have a handle on it

1539
00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:53,660
because you do not sex is bigger than

1540
00:59:56,770 --> 00:59:55,460
you it made you it

1541
00:59:58,660 --> 00:59:56,780
always going to be ahead of you it

1542
01:00:00,970 --> 00:59:58,670
existed before you were born the moment

1543
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:00,980
before you were created it so it's

1544
01:00:05,170 --> 01:00:02,330
always going to be one step ahead so

1545
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:05,180
follow it to where it takes you and try

1546
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:07,280
to understand and learn from and listen

1547
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:07,850
to it

1548
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:12,050
I think that's sound advice so I also

1549
01:00:15,730 --> 01:00:14,150
wanted to ask you about your courses

1550
01:00:17,650 --> 01:00:15,740
because you've done a couple of them and

1551
01:00:20,050 --> 01:00:17,660
I was reading some of the material from

1552
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:20,060
your last one and you mentioned part of

1553
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:22,250
the curriculum relating to uncovering

1554
01:00:26,830 --> 01:00:23,930
the hidden history of evolutionary

1555
01:00:29,350 --> 01:00:26,840
biology and showing how our current

1556
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:29,360
ideas of selfish genes natural

1557
01:00:34,450 --> 01:00:31,730
competition and random genetic mutation

1558
01:00:37,540 --> 01:00:34,460
are really just capitalist economics in

1559
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,550
disguise and that sounds provocative to

1560
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:39,680
me man I'm always willing to paint the

1561
01:00:44,170 --> 01:00:42,590
target firmly on capitalism but let me

1562
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:44,180
have you explain or elaborate a little

1563
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:47,750
bit on what you mean by that yeah well I

1564
01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:51,410
mean a big part of that is just first of

1565
01:00:55,930 --> 01:00:53,180
all historically looking at the

1566
01:00:58,840 --> 01:00:55,940
reception of Darwinism and how it

1567
01:01:01,870 --> 01:00:58,850
appears in different country so in

1568
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:01,880
Russia surprise surprise

1569
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:05,690
Darwinism was taken up and used in this

1570
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,940
current of understanding symbiosis that

1571
01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:10,400
coming together at different beams to

1572
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:13,430
make collectives in Europe it would turn

1573
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:15,860
into this sort of more and more selfish

1574
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,110
reduction that's needed on a thing that

1575
01:01:23,620 --> 01:01:20,960
we have right now in Japan it became

1576
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:23,630
this sort of more holistic version of

1577
01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:26,930
evolution it changes in culture and you

1578
01:01:30,340 --> 01:01:28,150
know they aren't sort of almost

1579
01:01:32,110 --> 01:01:30,350
stereotypical the way the societies have

1580
01:01:34,570 --> 01:01:32,120
been received especially the biological

1581
01:01:36,250 --> 01:01:34,580
sciences there's not a totalized version

1582
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:36,260
of what people believe in when it comes

1583
01:01:39,820 --> 01:01:37,760
to evolution all the time just leave

1584
01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:39,830
they all accept that natural selection

1585
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:43,180
plays a role in evolution so that is not

1586
01:01:48,310 --> 01:01:46,640
disputed but whether that is related you

1587
01:01:49,810 --> 01:01:48,320
know whether that combines itself with

1588
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:49,820
random genetic mutation

1589
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:53,770
Sandie OSIS laws of form and not Mattox

1590
01:01:58,330 --> 01:01:56,330
these things all play out differently

1591
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:58,340
from culture to culture what receives

1592
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,280
the emphasis and the understanding so I

1593
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:03,920
think it's important to note that of

1594
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:05,930
course the Western countries that have

1595
01:02:10,450 --> 01:02:07,970
capitalist economic system

1596
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:10,460
one that promote something called a

1597
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:13,250
selfish gene which works by trying to

1598
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:15,770
preserve itself through a sort of weird

1599
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:17,810
anthropomorphized

1600
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:20,690
cost-benefit analysis and you can look

1601
01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:22,040
at these things I mean it's a pretty

1602
01:02:28,770 --> 01:02:24,440
obvious when you start comparing how

1603
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:28,780
that framework of genetic evolution

1604
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:31,490
overlays and speciation overlays with

1605
01:02:38,109 --> 01:02:34,130
the economic system so I think it's up

1606
01:02:40,750 --> 01:02:38,119
to us to decide which version of

1607
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:40,760
evolution we think is best upheld by the

1608
01:02:47,290 --> 01:02:44,090
evidence I think and partially because I

1609
01:02:49,570 --> 01:02:47,300
studied with when margulies who was Dean

1610
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:49,580
sort of leading researcher in symbiosis

1611
01:02:55,900 --> 01:02:53,090
and she developed a system of evolution

1612
01:02:59,410 --> 01:02:55,910
based on and speciation based on

1613
01:03:01,300 --> 01:02:59,420
symbiosis I tend to believe that the

1614
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:01,310
evidence is stronger for the factor of

1615
01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:03,260
symbiosis when random genetic mutation

1616
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:05,660
which i think is probably not so

1617
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:07,849
important as important as we think it is

1618
01:03:14,050 --> 01:03:11,230
when the genetic mutation probably has

1619
01:03:16,890 --> 01:03:14,060
resulted in some speciation but it's

1620
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:16,900
more likely in my idea to be related to

1621
01:03:20,890 --> 01:03:19,609
adaptation I think that you combine

1622
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:20,900
these thing together I think Lin

1623
01:03:24,730 --> 01:03:23,420
probably overemphasize symbiosis because

1624
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,740
that was her shtick you know that was

1625
01:03:29,470 --> 01:03:26,240
her understanding of evolution but you

1626
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,480
add in things like laws of form there's

1627
01:03:34,780 --> 01:03:31,760
a really interesting evolutionary worked

1628
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:34,790
up being done in Germany by people who

1629
01:03:38,859 --> 01:03:37,130
have taken up gorgeous form of science

1630
01:03:40,930 --> 01:03:38,869
and who are interested in Rudolf Steiner

1631
01:03:42,579 --> 01:03:40,940
but may not even really be that

1632
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:42,589
interested and there's a guy named Brian

1633
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:44,930
Goodwin who did all this stuff that's

1634
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:47,089
kind of similar to it but brings in a

1635
01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:49,369
lot of mathematics there's a book called

1636
01:03:54,550 --> 01:03:51,470
evolution in four dimensions that

1637
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:54,560
explores how the different versions of

1638
01:04:00,010 --> 01:03:57,530
evolution intersect to create mutation

1639
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:00,020
and there is of course Bruce Lipton who

1640
01:04:05,530 --> 01:04:02,450
you've had on he talks about them how

1641
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:05,540
certain thoughts begin to interact with

1642
01:04:12,839 --> 01:04:10,730
with laws of form and morphology and not

1643
01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:12,849
only that we have a resurgence of

1644
01:04:18,790 --> 01:04:15,260
understanding that Lamarck who is the

1645
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:18,800
sort of dismissed laughed at biologist

1646
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,450
his theories where the

1647
01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:23,280
passing down of acquired characteristics

1648
01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:25,710
actually might have some weight and

1649
01:04:30,940 --> 01:04:27,960
validity to them we definitely thought

1650
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,950
an amoeba for instance there was a

1651
01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:33,359
scientist who had this sort of tray of

1652
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:36,420
amoeba in his lab and they all became

1653
01:04:40,819 --> 01:04:39,210
infected and instead of throwing those

1654
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:40,829
in either way which is what everybody

1655
01:04:43,550 --> 01:04:42,210
else would have done he decided to keep

1656
01:04:46,819 --> 01:04:43,560
them and study them and what he

1657
01:04:48,430 --> 01:04:46,829
discovered was if he pulled he pulled

1658
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:48,440
the infecting organism out of the

1659
01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:50,970
immediate that he had they would die but

1660
01:04:56,810 --> 01:04:52,560
if he left it and they would live right

1661
01:04:59,329 --> 01:04:56,820
and so that one version of symbiosis

1662
01:05:01,880 --> 01:04:59,339
happening in the lab but there's another

1663
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:01,890
version that relates to the mark a

1664
01:05:07,819 --> 01:05:04,890
little more directly where if you took

1665
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:07,829
out the cilia of this certain organism

1666
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:10,130
and reinserted them in backwards

1667
01:05:14,839 --> 01:05:12,540
eventually those organisms would start

1668
01:05:16,730 --> 01:05:14,849
producing quote-unquote offspring that

1669
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:16,740
have it sort of backwards cilia so that

1670
01:05:20,839 --> 01:05:18,810
shows that what Mark was probably

1671
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:20,849
correct and then combine that with the

1672
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,140
amoeba thing and you see how that could

1673
01:05:26,809 --> 01:05:24,960
be happening in symbiosis as well so I

1674
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:26,819
think there's a lot of like good

1675
01:05:30,730 --> 01:05:29,010
evidence for other versions of evolution

1676
01:05:33,050 --> 01:05:30,740
happening that have been observed in

1677
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:33,060
laboratories but it's just because they

1678
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:36,540
happen with either bacteria or Peart

1679
01:05:41,059 --> 01:05:38,970
octaves also known as protozoa that we

1680
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,069
dismiss it because people like Richard

1681
01:05:46,099 --> 01:05:42,960
Dawkins only know that animals which is

1682
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:46,109
of course not most at most organisms are

1683
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:48,210
not that the other businesses the most

1684
01:05:53,569 --> 01:05:50,339
composite organisms on the front are not

1685
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:53,579
animal they're bacteria and so you know

1686
01:05:58,190 --> 01:05:55,920
for him to sort of claim that all

1687
01:05:59,690 --> 01:05:58,200
evolution works on this level you know

1688
01:06:01,819 --> 01:05:59,700
that we understand that he understands

1689
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:01,829
as many things are both preposterous to

1690
01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:03,780
me and I know he he's gone to different

1691
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:05,460
lengths in other books I don't just pick

1692
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:08,730
on him he's actually my sort of out of

1693
01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:10,890
my all the sort of new atheist

1694
01:06:14,210 --> 01:06:12,630
scientists kind of people that are like

1695
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:14,220
my least favorite people in the world

1696
01:06:18,589 --> 01:06:16,770
he's my least least favorite she said I

1697
01:06:20,359 --> 01:06:18,599
like that I like him the most out of all

1698
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:20,369
the people that I don't like but I do

1699
01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:22,920
think that sort of group of people that

1700
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:24,630
promote neo-darwinism which is just

1701
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:27,180
natural selection meets random genetic

1702
01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:27,990
mutation

1703
01:06:34,270 --> 01:06:31,940
those are outdated and it just they need

1704
01:06:36,010 --> 01:06:34,280
they need to catch up and who

1705
01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:36,020
today I'm a lay person although I did

1706
01:06:39,610 --> 01:06:37,550
study something science in grad school

1707
01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:39,620
for three years so I could talk about

1708
01:06:42,580 --> 01:06:41,180
these things with some sense of

1709
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:42,590
authority or knowledge of what I was

1710
01:06:47,650 --> 01:06:45,350
talking whether you're right there's so

1711
01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:47,660
many interesting studies going on in the

1712
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:49,100
world of genes and the world of

1713
01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:51,230
consciousness and things are turning out

1714
01:06:55,540 --> 01:06:53,720
differently than we have been led to

1715
01:06:58,110 --> 01:06:55,550
believe they would and I'm right there

1716
01:07:01,960 --> 01:06:58,120
with you in terms of The Selfish Gene

1717
01:07:04,510 --> 01:07:01,970
idea because I very much look at

1718
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:04,520
incentives and try to think about what

1719
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:07,250
is natural versus what is a product of

1720
01:07:10,990 --> 01:07:09,530
our environment and it's really hard to

1721
01:07:13,030 --> 01:07:11,000
extrapolate that out when the only

1722
01:07:15,550 --> 01:07:13,040
environment you've ever known is super

1723
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:15,560
aggressive capitalist economics you got

1724
01:07:19,090 --> 01:07:16,910
to go look at other areas of the world

1725
01:07:21,460 --> 01:07:19,100
and we do and we find some interesting

1726
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:21,470
things I don't think if you look at some

1727
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:23,930
isolated pockets of indigenous cultures

1728
01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:26,330
that they run on a principle of

1729
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:28,670
selfishness they just don't they'd all

1730
01:07:34,090 --> 01:07:31,370
die so they definitely come together and

1731
01:07:37,810 --> 01:07:34,100
I think it is a real convenient thing

1732
01:07:39,970 --> 01:07:37,820
for capitalists to say like oh well yeah

1733
01:07:42,670 --> 01:07:39,980
we got this greed problem in our system

1734
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:42,680
but it's inborn it's been grained into

1735
01:07:47,380 --> 01:07:45,410
us it's a gene you know it's not a it's

1736
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:47,390
not some kind of outpouring from our

1737
01:07:53,050 --> 01:07:49,700
artificial system that incentivizes

1738
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:53,060
greed now it's natural and yeah I agree

1739
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:55,610
with you that I think that's wrong I

1740
01:08:01,000 --> 01:07:58,010
just I just do and it's a recapitulation

1741
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:01,010
in that case of just original sin right

1742
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:02,930
because Richard Dawkins writes about

1743
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:05,170
while we can transcend our genetic

1744
01:08:10,330 --> 01:08:07,730
predispositions and and be nice to each

1745
01:08:12,430 --> 01:08:10,340
other well okay so we're all sinners but

1746
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,440
we can transcend that by confessing

1747
01:08:17,020 --> 01:08:15,200
there in a likely be they're like

1748
01:08:18,910 --> 01:08:17,030
seeking forgiveness or finding Christ

1749
01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:18,920
and get out of the sin it's like it's a

1750
01:08:26,289 --> 01:08:22,670
same narrative and I just think it's you

1751
01:08:27,970 --> 01:08:26,299
know he's done a lot he why why I'm sort

1752
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:27,980
of like hesitating a little bit it's

1753
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:31,250
he's done a lot to confront the views

1754
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,380
that should be thrown his opinion and he

1755
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:36,319
should know better but he holds on to

1756
01:08:39,730 --> 01:08:37,850
the same opinion again again again and

1757
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,740
it's not because it's scientifically

1758
01:08:43,420 --> 01:08:41,600
valid anymore it's just not I mean I

1759
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:43,430
don't know that most biologists even

1760
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:44,870
take in more people like Jerry Coyne

1761
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:46,970
seriously anymore I think a lot of them

1762
01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:48,420
a lot of evolution

1763
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:51,179
just have just moved on and just oh my

1764
01:08:55,579 --> 01:08:52,710
god I guess if you guys just want to

1765
01:08:57,260 --> 01:08:55,589
present that picture there's some

1766
01:08:59,059 --> 01:08:57,270
overlap with what we believe in so go

1767
01:09:00,740 --> 01:08:59,069
ahead and it's not creationism so I

1768
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:00,750
guess just go for it you know but I

1769
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:03,089
don't think it's even necessarily widely

1770
01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:04,799
believed in a more a lot of these other

1771
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:07,140
things are accepted scientific fact at

1772
01:09:10,849 --> 01:09:09,420
this point so right now we're passing

1773
01:09:13,090 --> 01:09:10,859
them up and it is just a weird

1774
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:13,100
psychological thing that people love to

1775
01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:16,319
take a perspective and then make that

1776
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:18,179
their identity and then once they've

1777
01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:19,770
done that once they've accepted the

1778
01:09:23,930 --> 01:09:22,049
label it becomes very hard for them to

1779
01:09:25,519 --> 01:09:23,940
pivot when they maybe change their

1780
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:25,529
opinion or confronted with new

1781
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:27,299
information I mean I've been through the

1782
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:28,290
wringer with the things I've

1783
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:30,210
self-identified as and I've learned to

1784
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:31,770
stop doing that because it's going to

1785
01:09:37,220 --> 01:09:35,250
change right and I think that yeah I

1786
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:37,230
mean some of those guys they're just so

1787
01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:40,020
rigid that they're not responding to new

1788
01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:44,040
information yeah I mean it's they're

1789
01:09:48,260 --> 01:09:45,900
rigid because they're lively because

1790
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:48,270
they become rich you know based on their

1791
01:09:51,620 --> 01:09:50,250
feet this today like they're not going

1792
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,630
to give that up you know it's how they

1793
01:09:54,860 --> 01:09:53,279
make their money although you know they

1794
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:54,870
could continue to make money by sort of

1795
01:09:59,060 --> 01:09:57,540
rolling with it but you know they they

1796
01:10:02,060 --> 01:09:59,070
plant a stake in the ground and I think

1797
01:10:03,979 --> 01:10:02,070
that's when they become charismatic

1798
01:10:06,979 --> 01:10:03,989
gurus instead of scientists you know

1799
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:06,989
it's like men live up to the standard

1800
01:10:11,450 --> 01:10:09,449
which you demand of others and you will

1801
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,460
come across new information that alters

1802
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:13,199
your view that alters a thing to say in

1803
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:15,449
significant structural ways and not just

1804
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:17,400
be sort of like little ways here and

1805
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:19,020
there from book to book that you change

1806
01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:20,940
you know maybe you're not going to make

1807
01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:23,190
as much money it used to make but you

1808
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:25,560
will be making the world a better place

1809
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:27,449
you'll be advancing the thing that you

1810
01:10:32,660 --> 01:10:29,910
claim to passionately care about and not

1811
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:32,670
give fuel to the religious

1812
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:34,980
fundamentalists who after all are very

1813
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:38,190
often just picking on a very real flaws

1814
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:40,050
in the narrative of evolution that you

1815
01:10:44,810 --> 01:10:42,510
presented their solutions and their

1816
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:44,820
ideas of what's going on are wrong and

1817
01:10:50,150 --> 01:10:47,010
stupid but their critiques are actually

1818
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,160
very often correct so it's like you're

1819
01:10:53,959 --> 01:10:52,080
giving them fuel to sound smarter

1820
01:10:57,620 --> 01:10:53,969
because you're not shoring up the

1821
01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:57,630
problems with your theory yeah and

1822
01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:01,140
that's well said too and man this has

1823
01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:02,280
been a fun ride

1824
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:04,350
now we're starting to wind down here but

1825
01:11:09,020 --> 01:11:06,690
I'm all about extracting insight from

1826
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:09,030
people had much different experiences

1827
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:10,320
than me so I think this is all

1828
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:12,240
interesting and again you've got this

1829
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:14,460
event coming up on July 8th with Gordon

1830
01:11:19,460 --> 01:11:17,070
white in the City of Angels that centers

1831
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:19,470
around why the occult matters now more

1832
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:20,010
than ever

1833
01:11:23,150 --> 01:11:21,510
can you give us some insight into that

1834
01:11:24,620 --> 01:11:23,160
question or the things that you're going

1835
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:24,630
to be talking about why does the occult

1836
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:27,690
matter now more than ever so the reason

1837
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:29,580
why the occult matters now more than

1838
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,070
ever isn't because the occult is somehow

1839
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:34,560
better than it ever was although I do

1840
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:37,140
think it's improving with development

1841
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:40,050
and research however we're in a time

1842
01:11:44,180 --> 01:11:42,570
where people's worldviews are falling

1843
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,190
apart left and right for a lot of

1844
01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:47,040
reasons or political expectations there

1845
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:49,260
were expectations of materialism to

1846
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:52,020
produce certain results and both of

1847
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:54,420
those things have you know sort of been

1848
01:12:00,460 --> 01:11:58,500
pulled away from the stage there's lots

1849
01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:00,470
of things that are changing in the world

1850
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:03,300
related to technology related to

1851
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:05,250
relationships related to our

1852
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:07,410
understanding even the basic things like

1853
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:10,710
time space new cult has always try to

1854
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:12,510
approach these things with a sense of

1855
01:12:17,660 --> 01:12:15,750
seriousness and have been in development

1856
01:12:19,940 --> 01:12:17,670
for hundreds of years and it's just sort

1857
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:19,950
of waiting for its moment and I think

1858
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:21,930
now of that moment I think now when

1859
01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:24,480
people are finding avoided in their

1860
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:26,790
lives where their political expectations

1861
01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:29,310
relational expectations expectations of

1862
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:31,380
how the world was supposed to go it used

1863
01:12:35,170 --> 01:12:33,570
to be I think that this is the perfect

1864
01:12:38,030 --> 01:12:35,180
moment and I think that the occult

1865
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:38,040
addresses individuality on a level that

1866
01:12:42,730 --> 01:12:39,900
other systems don't so we don't have to

1867
01:12:45,890 --> 01:12:42,740
be absorbed into some amorphous

1868
01:12:48,590 --> 01:12:45,900
collective economic identity I think

1869
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:48,600
that it allows people to feel empowered

1870
01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:52,530
and truly are empowered it allows people

1871
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:56,550
to approach the world spiritually as

1872
01:13:00,380 --> 01:12:58,410
well as practically I think there's a

1873
01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:00,390
lot going on for the occult in this

1874
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:03,060
moment and that doesn't mean the vehicle

1875
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:06,480
is going to be some great perfect system

1876
01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:08,250
that heals everything it makes the world

1877
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:10,920
a beautiful perfect place it's not it

1878
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:12,540
has its own problems and we're going to

1879
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discover what those problems are more

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and more people

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get involved in it and some of those

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problems are going to be as real and

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drastic it's the problems that we face

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today it's not worse however I'm sick of

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these old problems um what new ones you

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know some point amen yeah I mean I'm so

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sick of the old problems too but this

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has been a lot of fun I'm really glad we

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could do it before we really do close it

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out remind people where they can keep

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tabs on you and what else you got going

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on and of course this new show against

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everyone with Connor hubby okay great

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so my new big project is this web series

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against everyone with Connor Dean and

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it's a show about ideas so every month

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there are at least two episodes one

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episode is me giving a little mini

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lecture about something so the first

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episode is me talking about pleasure and

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political resistance and how those two

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things meet and I bring up this utopian

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01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:07,739
thinker charles fourier and his sort of

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crazy wacky ideas and how they can make

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01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:12,510
culture better right now we quickly

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01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:15,420
think into them and one episode beast

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one episode of me in conversation with

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somebody so we have great guests coming

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up like Abby Martin and Gordon white and

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Ed Leo and people all across the

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spectrum musicians writers journalists

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artists all that kind of stuff and you

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can subscribe to the YouTube channel of

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01:14:39,290 --> 01:14:36,929
course that you can also support it by

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01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:39,300
going to my patreon if you support on my

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01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:41,460
patreon if you pay a dollar you can get

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downloadable audio if you take $5 you

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01:14:47,540 --> 01:14:46,140
get an extra episode every month you can

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01:14:49,820 --> 01:14:47,550
get things like you can join the book

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01:14:51,650 --> 01:14:49,830
club that I've started where we need

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01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:51,660
once a month talk about a book you can

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01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:53,790
get Skype sessions with me all that kind

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01:15:03,760 --> 01:14:55,980
of stuff if you support the show through

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I mean you can can do that to you and

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the only social media I have is my

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Twitter which is just at Connor indeed

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and another good place to engage with me

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see my butt and also deal with my

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bombastic idiotic Twitter rant they're

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really fun awesome man well Connor

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thanks again hopefully we might meet

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somewhere in the chaos that is July but

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either way keep fighting the good fight

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right on man and congratulations on your

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wedding

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do you know me never guessed it ha ha ha

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ha all right Thank You Man all right

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take care there it is people Connor

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Habib our first porn star on the podcast

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all right I'm already bracing for impact

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01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:52,590
on a few of the things he said but I

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01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:54,810
still think there is a lot of agreement

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with him on especially his point about

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needing to have open conversations about

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01:16:03,380 --> 01:16:01,500
sex so that we can actually get to a

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point where we can have a conversation

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about the darkness that exists that a

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01:16:10,580 --> 01:16:08,880
lot of people often can't talk about we

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01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:10,590
might be able to but we get a widen that

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:13,290
sphere and you can see how there might

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be a connection here right I definitely

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01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:17,820
can and things have obviously gotten a

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01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:19,710
lot better since the day of chastity

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belts and selling your daughter for a

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01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:24,210
milk cow but I can see why Connor thinks

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01:16:28,580 --> 01:16:26,610
we have a long way to go too although

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01:16:30,260 --> 01:16:28,590
our culture is kind of backwards and

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01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:30,270
there's definitely a lot of judgment

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which you're never going to be able to

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control I don't know what a person could

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want to do sexually that they can't do

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today or at least see on the internet

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01:16:42,830 --> 01:16:40,770
but I suppose we should probably bring

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it out of the shadows and stop thinking

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01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:45,240
of it as such a dirty thing overall it's

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just skin and I can hear the clasping of

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01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:49,860
pearls right now but honestly look at

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01:16:54,860 --> 01:16:52,650
some ancient Egyptian or Greek artwork

1969
01:16:57,260 --> 01:16:54,870
and makes you think like are we really

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less sophisticated in dealing with sex

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01:17:02,300 --> 01:16:59,790
than people were centuries ago that's

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01:17:05,090 --> 01:17:02,310
weird and if you've seen a movie like

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01:17:08,740 --> 01:17:05,100
equilibrium one of my favorite dystopian

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01:17:10,730 --> 01:17:08,750
films then you know that in a true

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01:17:14,420 --> 01:17:10,740
totalitarian regime you're going to have

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a crackdown on art on anything that

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invokes emotion or passion and of course

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sex if you've seen a show like the

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handmaidens tale which has a terrible

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01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,090
name but is one of my favorite shows out

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01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:27,120
right now it's all about the oppression

1982
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,890
and sexual weirdness in a 1984 dystopia

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01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:34,080
type environment it's great you should

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01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:36,540
definitely check it out and let those

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01:17:39,890 --> 01:17:38,520
things be your guide if you think parts

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01:17:41,729 --> 01:17:39,900
of this conversation might have been a

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01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:41,739
little extreme

1988
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:43,330
encounter said that I did really like

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was that no one has a right to violate a

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01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:47,950
person boundaries but we also have a

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01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:50,260
responsibility to investigate our own

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and I think that's very well said and I

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01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:54,880
agree because I got in a lot of trouble

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when I was younger and I got kicked out

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of the private school I went to with the

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friends I had essentially since

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kindergarten so it wasn't a pleasant

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experience to be thrust into the local

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01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:07,719
public school my senior year but it

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01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:08,980
ended up working out great and I

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01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:10,960
actually had positive relationships with

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01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,510
the teachers and staff that allowed me

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01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:16,239
to actually amp up my class clown stuff

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and the ridiculous

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things I would do for attention for

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better or worse the very stuff that got

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01:18:26,459 --> 01:18:24,880
me kicked out of private school and some

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of the teachers here were just actually

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01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:28,960
entertained by it because I guess public

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01:18:34,110 --> 01:18:31,570
schools have real problems they know who

2011
01:18:36,150 --> 01:18:34,120
the real troubled kids are and because

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01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:36,160
it was a different set of boundaries I

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01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:38,920
actually found that I wasn't that bad of

2014
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a guy and I could actually have a lot of

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01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:44,080
fun express myself as eccentrically as I

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felt I needed at the time and it was all

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still pretty much within what was

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acceptable and that was a real wou type

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a moment and then I ended up driving a

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01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,719
bunch of guys down to the school that

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01:18:59,520 --> 01:18:57,280
kicked me out and we held signs up that

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01:19:01,860 --> 01:18:59,530
said st. Pius into prison and Fox's a

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01:19:03,930 --> 01:19:01,870
daycare as the parents picked up kids

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and everyone was leaving and that was

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embarrassing for the school not for me

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but yes I think people can be dicks and

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press our buttons or do something we're

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01:19:18,060 --> 01:19:15,219
affected by but if nobody has seriously

2029
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,070
hurt the best solution is always just to

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01:19:21,770 --> 01:19:20,320
shrug your shoulders and move on when

2031
01:19:24,330 --> 01:19:21,780
you see something you don't like

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01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:24,340
developing a thicker skin is really just

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01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:26,230
a win win last things are going to

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01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,270
bother you unless people have to be

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01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:30,640
punished for bothering you I don't know

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01:19:35,070 --> 01:19:33,489
what I'm talking about but it was fun to

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01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:35,080
have a conversation with someone who's

2038
01:19:41,010 --> 01:19:37,780
had such an interesting career even if

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01:19:43,950 --> 01:19:41,020
we agree to disagree in some areas and

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01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:43,960
do check out Conner and Gordon's event

2041
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:46,090
in LA if you can I'm going to try to

2042
01:19:50,370 --> 01:19:48,610
come but you're more likely to see me if

2043
01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:50,380
you're going to be at Gordon's premium

2044
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:53,200
number drinking meetup I don't really

2045
01:19:55,530 --> 01:19:55,090
know anything about it except it's a few

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01:19:57,710 --> 01:19:55,540
days

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01:20:00,420 --> 01:19:57,720
earlier which works much better for me

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01:20:02,370 --> 01:20:00,430
so in the plus show today it's pretty

2049
01:20:04,230 --> 01:20:02,380
great in fact I almost wish the two

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01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:04,240
hours were flipped because the second

2051
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:07,900
hour is way more THC like we got into

2052
01:20:12,810 --> 01:20:10,090
Connors experiences and thoughts about

2053
01:20:15,390 --> 01:20:12,820
the occult outside of the sexual sphere

2054
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:15,400
Connor described what has been a useful

2055
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:17,950
meditation exercise and his experience

2056
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:20,290
for improving your mental visualisation

2057
01:20:25,710 --> 01:20:23,010
abilities we went into the cliffnotes of

2058
01:20:27,090 --> 01:20:25,720
Rudolf Steiners biography and the

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01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:27,100
details of his intriguing

2060
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:29,770
accomplishments Steiners influence and

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01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,570
Waldorf schools and the type of

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01:20:35,790 --> 01:20:34,000
alternative education they offer from

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the industrialist crafted Prussian

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01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:38,410
control system we have now we got into

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Steiners anthropology philosophy and how

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01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,960
and why it split from theosophy gotten

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to the ideas of the spirit world the

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01:20:50,370 --> 01:20:47,620
concept of the two spiritual beings

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Ahriman and Lucifer the value and

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pitfalls of conspiracy culture sex

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radicals of history and their impact

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01:20:59,700 --> 01:20:56,890
people like Wilhelm Reich and Ida

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Craddock pornography heads place in the

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world and then of course my good buddy

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01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:03,880
Kyle he had a couple of occult questions

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01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:05,890
for Connor that I thought were also

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01:21:10,890 --> 01:21:08,320
interesting so it was more about history

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01:21:12,660 --> 01:21:10,900
and information about fringe people and

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01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:12,670
their ideas you know that's always a

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01:21:17,940 --> 01:21:15,490
sweet spot for me and as far as higher

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01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:17,950
side news goes I finally worked out all

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01:21:22,020 --> 01:21:20,290
the site issues finally finished the

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01:21:24,090 --> 01:21:22,030
server moves I'm going to be doing for a

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01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:24,100
while the RSS feed should be back

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01:21:28,350 --> 01:21:27,250
working and updating again and all is

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01:21:30,750 --> 01:21:28,360
right with the world

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I was actually caught up this month and

2088
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:32,560
going at a pretty good pace when the web

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01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:34,960
issues knocked me out of course no point

2090
01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:36,040
in finishing the Edit when there's

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01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:37,030
nowhere to put it when you're done and

2092
01:21:41,610 --> 01:21:39,490
everyone's feed is broken but we're good

2093
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:41,620
now and we got another show coming

2094
01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:43,900
tomorrow so I'm out of here

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01:21:48,780 --> 01:21:46,450
your move oppressive regimes personal

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01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:48,790
activity polices and all-around staplers

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01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:51,770
of sexuality your [\h__\h]

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[Music]

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sweetu the alley will climb out on Daz

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what color experiencing conspiracy

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:09,420
everybody's looking for something some

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01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:14,850
of them want to use you what they gave

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01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:18,570
you by you some of them want to abuse

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[Music]

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sweet

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[Music]

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everybody

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by